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    Richard, you are not correct, the result of my letters may look similar, but THEY ARE NOT the same!

    Notice how the other letter has dimension to it starting out from a skinny line and then projecting to a wider line. Additionally, there are not three spirals to it - as mine shows. What's more, Meru’s main hoop is completely different!

    Yes I can see the similarity in shape… this is obviously because in all actuality NATURE makes this exact design as I revealed with the shell.

    But in NO WAY did I copy (as you may be insinuating) Meru’s work!

    Additionally, the letter that you had supplied from the Meru site is not a letter (B) Bet, it is according to Meru letters a Hebrew letter Samech. Meru‘s Hebrew (B) Bet looks different, and most of the other letters do not match either. This is because I had arrived at my analysis quite different then Meru had. But nonetheless it is still amazing that Meru’s letters are similar, which as I said earlier is certainly worthy of great study.

    It seems impossible that you could have discovered it independently
    Yes, in fact I did, just as I had specified in my earlier posting here! My analysis is based solely off the shape of the Hebrew letter B (Bet). I'd like to question how Meru arrived at their form? Additionally, as I’ve shared I have also studied Qabalah for years and if you read my biography on the publishers website it also reveals that I had lived in Israel for a length of time and additionally went to Hebrew school. What’s more, it is no secret that Qabalah teaches the very origin of the Hebrew letters.

    Additionally, my book does not focus primarily on this, it is only one aspect of understanding that I include. My book is a 500+ page book, it is not just based solely on this, it talks about many other religious aspects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Meyer View Post
    Richard, you are not correct, the result of my letters may look similar, but THEY ARE NOT the same!

    Notice how the other letter has dimension to it starting out from a skinny line and then projecting to a wider line. Additionally, there are not three spirals to it - as mine shows.

    Yes I can see the similarity in shape… this is obviously because in all actuality NATURE makes this exact design as I revealed with the shell.

    But in NO WAY did I copy (as you may be insinuating) Meru’s work!

    Additionally, the letter that you had supplied from the Meru site is not a letter (B) Bet, it is according to Meru letters a Hebrew letter Samech. Meru‘s Hebrew (B) Bet looks different. This is because I had arrived at my analysis quite different then Meru had. But nonetheless it is still amazing that Meru’s letters are similar, which as I said earlier is certainly worthy of great study.

    It seems impossible that you could have discovered it independently
    Yes, in fact I did, just as I had specified in my earlier posting here! Additionally, as I’ve shared I have also studied Qabalah for years and if you read my biography on the publishers website it also reveals that I had lived in Israel for a length of time and additionally went to Hebrew school. What’s more, it is no secret that Qabalah teaches the very origin of the Hebrew letters.

    Additionally, my book does not focus primarily on this, it is only one aspect of understanding that I include. My book is a 500+ page book, it is not based solely on this, it talks about many other religious aspects.
    Hi Anita,

    Thank you for correcting me, that is what I had asked for.

    I hope you understand that I am not accusing you of anything because I do not have certain knowledge on this matter. I am simply letting you know what the situation looks like to me and why.

    I agree your letters are not identical in every particular, but that does not change the fact that your "prototype form" and the method you use are essentially identical to Stan's work. That's just a fact, and that's why I find it so difficult to believe you came up with this independently.

    Furthermore, it is clear that you have researched the origin of the Hebrew alphabet on the internet, and Tenen's work has been online for over a decade and it comes up on the first page when searching Google for "origin Hebrew alphabet." I'm sorry, but it seems impossible that you only "recently" became aware of his work.

    Again, I am not accusing you. I am merely explaining what the facts seem to indicate.

    All the very best,

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    the fact that your "prototype form" and the method you use are essentially identical to Stan's work. That's just a fact, and that's why I find it so difficult to believe you came up with this independently.
    No its not a “fact” and my prototype form is not identical! I refuse to let anyone step over my toes on it!

    Furthermore, it is clear that you have researched the origin of the Hebrew alphabet on the internet, and Tenen's work has been online for over a decade and it comes up on the first page when searching Google for "origin Hebrew alphabet." I'm sorry, but it seems impossible that you only "recently" became aware of his work.
    No I did not do my research on the “Internet”. The “Internet” is not a place to gather “proper” research. Some of my research was done at the library. However, most if not all my research was based primarily on the BIBLE itself - and the in-depth and independent study of it myself. Additionally, Meru is not off-hand accessible under a Google search as you claim. Even if it were (which I did check after you said this), is that if I did happen to come across it and open it up, it does not go straight to Meru’s letters. I found the Meru site to be very hard to navigate my way around it. The site has numerous things on it which really distracts away from the letters.

    I would question where it is that Meru got its knowledge from? I was in Israel some 23 years ago studying (and discovering) this very subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Meyer View Post
    No I did not do my research on the 'Internet'. The 'Internet' is not a place to gather 'proper' research. Some of my research was done at the library.
    Hi Anita,

    Where in the world did you get the idea that the internet is not a "proper" place to gather "proper" research?

    The internet is like a massive worldwide library filled with academic books and research articles by the leading intellectuals of the planet. It allows you instant access to more books and journal articles than you could ever find in a single library, and it allows you to electronically search those resources for the specific content of interest so you can accomplish in minutes what otherwise would take weeks, months, or even years. And it opens horizons to cutting-edge research (like meru.org) that you would never find in a library.

    The only danger of internet research is if the researcher fails to do due diligence to verify the validity of the source. I would be quite surprised if most scholars did not consider it important, or even essential, to their work. It certainly has played an absolutely essential role in my research for the last six years or so.

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    I hope the flow of this thread hasnt stopped
    I'm probably being thick here Richard, but I can't see why it's not possible for two people to have a similar or identical revelation, totally independant of each other, considering our source of wisdom and knowledge, the Lord God , is available to all who dillegently seek Him. When you think of how logical (but inspired) your revelation was, of rolling up the bible as a scroll...it would be astonishing if no one else had thought about it before. (perhaps without the ability to articulate it on-line or otherwise). But also completely possible that no-one had thought of it previously and like so many ideas, you're left with a feeling of "why didnt I think of that?. It was profound and yet breathtakingly simple. It was so obvious, reading your book, that this was an inspired thought/concept and nothing you had taken from another and likewise, I sense in Anita's description of her discovery with the wire/Bet (etc), it was the same for her. A huge "ah hah!" moment. Anyway...please continue. Regardless of how similar the two might be, there is much in Anita's study that is opening the subject more for me.
    Anita, I was wondering if you've done any study into the Kol infinity symbol. As you know, the loop passes through the Alef /Tav (1 and 22) at the top, the Kaf/Lamed (11 and 12) at the bottom, both adding to 23 (alef tav..beginning and end) I believe it relates to the 46 chromosones of man at some level and have long wondered if it describes the renewal of all of creation (Kol) at some level. I would appreciate anything you may have studied on it. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathryn View Post
    I hope the flow of this thread hasnt stopped
    I'm probably being thick here Richard, but I can't see why it's not possible for two people to have a similar or identical revelation, totally independant of each other, considering our source of wisdom and knowledge, the Lord God , is available to all who dillegently seek Him. When you think of how logical (but inspired) your revelation was, of rolling up the bible as a scroll...it would be astonishing if no one else had thought about it before. (perhaps without the ability to articulate it on-line or otherwise). But also completely possible that no-one had thought of it previously and like so many ideas, you're left with a feeling of "why didnt I think of that?. It was profound and yet breathtakingly simple. It was so obvious, reading your book, that this was an inspired thought/concept and nothing you had taken from another and likewise, I sense in Anita's description of her discovery with the wire/Bet (etc), it was the same for her. A huge "ah hah!" moment. Anyway...please continue. Regardless of how similar the two might be, there is much in Anita's study that is opening the subject more for me.
    Hey there Kathryn,

    Excellent point! Indeed, I have had a first hand experience like you describe. After years of researching the meaning of Hebrew words in terms of the meaning of their constituent letters, I received an email from Dr. Frank Seekins asking me to acknowledge my indebtedness to his work. We had come to identical conclusions on many points. For example, we both noticed that the word Av - Aleph Bet - which means "Farther" can be analyzed as Aleph = Leader + Bet = House, that is, the Father is the Leader of the House!

    So what did I do when I found that Dr. Seekins and I had made the same discovery? I wrote to him and explained that I had made the discoveries independently, and immediately posted this page on my website lauding Dr. Seekins' pioneering work, advertising his book, and linking to his page. Here are the first two paragraphs of that page:
    One of the strongest and most consistent biblical tests of truth is the coherence of independent witnesses. This is why the witness of the Three Threads is so powerful. It is my joy now to introduce another completely independent witness to the divine design of the Hebrew Alphabet, Dr. Frank T. Seekins. An introduction to his excellent, insightful, and thorough work may be found on his site Living Word Pictures . The convergence of our work is so incredibly tight that when Dr. Seekins first found my site, he was convinced that I must have drawn my understanding directly from his material. The fact is I had never seen his work. I have since received copies of his primary works and I must say that his conclusion was completely justified, given the limited information he had.
    Seekins and I were able to come to the same conclusions because neither of us invented or discovered anything that was truly "new" - we merely analyzed the data that had always been available.

    The situation with Stan Tenen's work is entirely different, as a brief review of his process of discovery will reveal. It bears all the marks of independent research and discovery. It took decades of research to go from his initial discovery of an auto-correlation pattern in Genesis 1:1 to the discovery of the "First Hand" modeled on the "vortex" that generates the Hebrew letters. He tells the story on this page which begins:
    In 1983 when we started Meru Foundation, we had shown that there was a pattern to the letters in the first verses of B'Reshit [see pic below]. We had several theories of what it might represent and why it was there. We now know one of its most important qualities.
    The letters of the first verse of B'Reshit can be paired off so as to fold a ribbon with the text written on it into a recognizable geometric form. The most compact and elegant representation of this form is a particular and unique form of vortex. We have shown that this vortex represents a path of self-organization applicable to living systems, consciousness, and physics. It represents an ideal fruit whose form traces the embryonic unfoldment of a "seed" into a "fruit-tree" into a "fruit bearing new seed" (B'Reshit I.11.), an idealized candle flame representing the self-referential qualities of our consciousness and their use for exploration in meditation, as well as an idealization of the Quantum of Action providing a geometric basis for describing the dimensions of the physics of unfolding spacetime.
    The pattern he discovered shows an auto-correlation of the 28 letters of Genesis 1:1 -




    He started the Meru Foundation in 1983, but he made the initial discovery of this pattern in the 1960s, as reported in this interview with Dr. Jeffery Mishlove. This is an extremely profound pattern that I have appreciated and studied myself for over a decade after I first encountered Tenen's work on the internet.

    He reports that ten years later he was still struggling to find a deeper pattern that would explain this auto-correlation. He presented his pattern on the air in San Fransisco and asked the audience to help him figure it out. Someone called in and suggested he use a base-3 representation for the positions of the 27 Hebrew letters (including final forms). This led to a major breakthrough that he published in 1986:



    This is the "vortex" that he derived from the text of Genesis 1:1 using the base-3 representation. (This is a facsimile of the original article, which is why the art is poor. He reproduced it on his site because of a court case in which someone had plagiarized his work.)

    Tenen's explanation of the process of discovery continues:
    This suggested that the letters in B'Reshit might represent a path specified by the sequence of these letter-directions, and that this path might be a particular meditation (perhaps Rabbi Akiva's PaRDeS meditation) that a person could experience as they visualized each letter by turning the model over in their mind's eye. But we realized that this would be extremely difficult, because the vortex form is completely asymmetrical and difficult to visualize by itself.
    Stan was stumped by this problem for quite a while. But in the process of "drinking" from the well of Hebrew knowledge, he felt compelled to begin practicing prayers like a Jew. And this led to his big breakthrough:
    To achieve moral transparency, Tenen began incorporating Orthodox rituals into his daily schedule a number of years ago, doing so with some effort "out of respect for the well from which I had been drinking for so long." In honoring the source, Tenen unexpectedly discovered something that had eluded him for years-the exact shape his vortex model should be. "I put on the tefillin during morning prayers-you wind a strap on your hand and you're supposed to see the Hebrew letters-it hit me immediately that my 'vortex form' was a model of the human hand, preserved through tradition of tefillin," he says.

    Though the realization was an instantaneous 'Aha!', it took him years to mathematically perfect the shape of the hand model, which incorporates fourteen explicit features representing aspects of western philosophies and is based on a spiral used in art throughout the ancient world, most notably under the Egyptian 'Eye of Horus.' "It is not the Golden Spiral," he says. "The golden spiral is a modern invention that circles itself endlessly in its own image-philosophically, it denotes narcissism. True sacred geometry appears like the golden spiral for quite a while and then it straightens out." "Like the Egyptian spiral," he continues, "ours has a tightly coiled part which expands into all there is-the coiled part represents the human head and brain and the straight part, the spine...if you overlay the spiral over a human embryo at 56 days, they match perfectly." Tenen uses many materials to make these model sculptures: metal, plastic, leather and "things from the flea market"' high-tech versions are supplied via computer printout. "To make the hand model for yourself," he suggests, "put on latex gloves and draw it."
    And here is an image into which Stan attempted to compress his four decades of research:




    This exemplifies the long, hard, decade-spanning, extremely well-documented path that is the sine-qua-non of real scientific discovery. Every step has strong, organic motivation based upon the previous step taken.

    Now compare this with the "process" that Anita claims led her to make precisely the same discovery as Stan Tenen:
    Anita Meyer (pgs 4-5):
    So the first place I looked to make this amazing connection was my Bible (Hebrew Torah). I had turned to the very opening chapter of Genesis 1:1 that specifically tells us that in the beginning G-d created the Heaven and the Earth. I then fixed my eyes upon the very first Hebrew letter of the first word of Genesis 1:1 which is a Hebrew letter B (Bet) of the Barashith (which means "beginning"). Now the Hebrew letter Bet has an indivdual symbolic meaning attached to it which represents - tent, house and enter. It's almost like an invitation to come in and dwell.

    So what I did next was... I had taken this very letter (the form of it) and wrapped (or should I say spiraled a bendable wire around it with the approximate measurements of unit growth that is found in nature which expands, furls out, or increases from a given point. Then I had removed the model form and was left with this spiral form (shown below). Now when I began to handle and look at this form, I caught sight of something unexpected... When I had turned this one model prototype from around in different directions such as upside down or backwards, or tilting it in at different angles I began to see that amazingly this "one prototype form" that is formed from natures law, produces all the 22 letters of the Hebrew Alphabet! There is no other alphabet in the entire world that does this - forms all its letters from "one prototype form". I quickly realized that what I had discovered was intelligent design, or rather should I say Divine Design!
    Enough said.

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    All this is truly amazing Richard, I just cannot get over it all.

    However, I will repeat again and again, the similarities are somewhat there, but the letters and the model form is not the same. There are BIG differences!

    To achieve moral transparency, Tenen began incorporating Orthodox rituals into his daily schedule a number of years ago, doing so with some effort "out of respect for the well from which I had been drinking for so long." In honoring the source, Tenen unexpectedly discovered something that had eluded him for years-the exact shape his vortex model should be. "I put on the tefillin during morning prayers-you wind a strap on your hand and you're supposed to see the Hebrew letters-it hit me immediately that my 'vortex form' was a model of the human hand, preserved through tradition of tefillin," he says.
    It seems that Meru had obtained the idea of the design from the spiraling tefillin that wraps the hand. This is quite different then how I arrived at my form. My form is very simple and logically corresponds to exactly how I arrived at all the other letters. Just by modeling a Hebrew letter Bet which is the first seen letter in Genesis 1:1 that implicitly talks about CREATION. Meru’s discovery by tefillin (through Jewish customs and tradition) is knowledge that is passed down and preserved in Qabalah.

    Anita, I was wondering if you've done any study into the Kol infinity symbol. As you know, the loop passes through the Alef /Tav (1 and 22) at the top, the Kaf/Lamed (11 and 12) at the bottom, both adding to 23 (alef tav..beginning and end) I believe it relates to the 46 chromosones of man at some level and have long wondered if it describes the renewal of all of creation (Kol) at some level. I would appreciate anything you may have studied on it. Thank you!
    Hi Kathryn, perhaps the 46 chromosomes (23+23) of man are a “reflection” since we were made in G-d’s image at a lower level. Et-Kol literally means everything! It also suggest “unity, unison and harmony”. Perhaps even the Star of David.

    You know what else is amazing? DNA spirals! And it just so happens that a chromosome almost looks like the “infinity symbol”. What are the odds of that?

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    I hear what you're saying Richard...but I don't think that revelation from God has to necessarily go through a "scientific" , decade- long ,prodding process . (is this fellow a Christian? I can't remember. It's been awhile since I looked at his site) In fact I believe He can show us the answer to something, long before we've thought of the question.

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    Thanks Anita...yes! The dna spiral does look like the infinity symbol! Pretty amazing alright!

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    Hi Kathryn, you are welcome!

    I can share others things with you as well. I’ll tell you what else is amazing - and of course not by chance!

    If you take the very first verse of the Torah, Genesis 1:1 and add the gamatria values up of each individual letter, amazingly it equates to Pi (3.14). I can reveal the math to you (or anyone else) if you’d like?

    What does this mean? Well, it means that obviously in the first verse of Genesis 1:1 when G-d is talking about creation, He is literally telling us that He used the mathematical unit of Pi which is clearly visible in the natural world. Pi is special since it is a universal constant. Pi has everything to do with creation.

    How divine it is to find it incorporated within Genesis 1:1 - its proper place!
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