The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator

[NumberX]

Yeah, it is all so wonder-full

I just saw a number plate of a car in Washington. Is it true that all cars drive with a sign from the maya's on it: the sign of number 13 ?

[bonbon]

Plagiarizing!
The relation between Meru and Anita caught my interest and I thought I would look into her posts a little bit.
In post message 43 Anita writes:

No I did not do my research on the 'Internet'. The 'Internet' is not a place to gather 'proper' research.

I had discovered something 'revolutionary' that I’m sure all of you here will appreciate

Anita proclaims she discovered it herself. She also says in post 43 her main source was the qabalah, bible, and the library.

Post 6:

Well there are a lot of things in gamatria that can equate to this, but what I find is that Pi (3.14) is a derivative of 153 since the shape which forms when you draw two circles with the centers on each other - looks a bit like a fish (it can even look like an 'eye'). One curious thing about it is that it was mentioned in the Bible by the 153 fishes Jesus caught with his disciples, the shape of a "vesica piscis" being 153:265, this is known as the ''measure of the fish". It is a powerful mathematical tool, being the nearest whole number approximation of the square root of three. those skilled in mathematics would have immediately recognized the story of the 153 fish in the net as a geometrical "story problem". All of this is telling us that it is the perfect ratio - which works around the Golden Mean Spiral (Phi).

And now take a look at this:

Well there are a lot of things in gamatria that can equate to this, but what I find is that Pi (3.14) is a derivative of 153 since the shape which forms when you draw two circles with the centers on each other - looks a bit like a fish (it can even look like an 'eye'). One curious thing about it is that it was mentioned in the Bible by the 153 fishes Jesus caught with his disciples, the shape of a "vesica piscis" being 153:265, this is known as the ''measure of the fish". It is a powerful mathematical tool, being the nearest whole number approximation of the square root of three. those skilled in mathematics would have immediately recognized the story of the 153 fish in the net as a geometrical "story problem". All of this is telling us that it is the perfect ratio - which works around the Golden Mean Spiral (Phi).

Source: http://www.weborix.com/index.php?opt...&id=50:numbers
Now, if I was caught in such similarity at university without providing sources and quote my text (if we look apart the fact that it is probably a very weak source) that would be called plagiarizing.
Conclusion: plagiarizing
I looked at some other pages. On the www.evcforum.net they closed Anita Meyers thread because she violated the forum rules several time (plagiarizing). Here she was also caught in plagiarizing. I will provide the example a member found and some other I investigated myself:

The moon has four phases or quarters lasting about seven days each. The first two quarters are during the waxing or increasing light, between the new and the full moon. The third and fourth quarters are after the full moon when the light is waning, or decreasing.

Source: http://www.gardeningbythemoon.com/phases.html By Caren Catterall

Anita post post message 42:

The moon has four phases (or quarters) lasting about seven days each. The first two quarters are during the waxing (or increasing light), between the new and the full moon. The third and fourth quarters are after the full moon when the light is waning, (or decreasing).

It seems to me that she is trying to conceal her plagiarizing by adding parentheses and stuff like that.
Caught (in this case not that important, but the problem is Anita did not admit it)

Next one:
Anita post message 43:

It has to do with Pi (3.14), the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, which state the ratio of 3:1, a very rough estimate of Pi which is partially calculated as 3.14159. (The digits keep going forever without any known pattern). It's a given that the ancients did not use the number symbols we use, called 'Arabic numerals', these symbols didn't become popular until the 10th Century. But the Hebrews had words for numbers and used the letters of the Aleph-Bet in place of numbers. And of course they were no strangers to the concept of infinity.

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.c...479&mpp=15&p=3

And now take a look at this

Fascination with Pi, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, has occupied mathematicians for a long time, and math history buffs are familiar with a verses from the Book of Kings I Chapter 7 that describe a pool that King Solomon had built which state the ratio of 3:1, a very rough estimate of Pi which is partially calculated as 3.14159. (The digits keep going forever without any known pattern.) It's a given that the ancients did not use the number symbols we use, called Hindu-Arabic numerals; these symbols didn't become popular until the 10th Century. But the Hebrews had words for numbers and used the letters of the Aleph-Bet in place of numbers. And of course they were no strangers to the concept of infinity.

Source: http://ezinearticles.com/?Pi-and-Spi...ity&id=3890999 article Pi and Spirituality by Rabbi Max Weiman
Caught

Next one:

For this they willingly forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water (2 Peter 3:5–6).
Evidence of Noah’s Flood can be seen all over the earth, from seabeds to mountaintops. Whether you travel by car, train, or plane, the physical features of the earth’s terrain clearly indicate a catastrophic past, from canyons and craters to coal beds and caverns. Some layersof strata extend across continents, revealing the effects of a huge catastrophe.
The earth’s crust has massive amounts of layered sedimentary rock, sometimes miles (kilometers) deep! These layers of sand, soil, and material—mostly laid down by water—were once soft like mud, but they are now hard stone. Encased in these sedimentary layers are billions of dead things (fossils of plants and animals) buried very quickly. The evidence all over the earth is staring everyone in the face.

Source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...-flood-and-ark

Anita wrote in post message 49

Evidence of Noah’s Flood can be seen all over the earth, from seabed’s to mountaintops. The Earths terrain clearly indicates a catastrophic past, from canyons and craters to coal beds and caverns. Some layers of strata extend across continents, revealing the effects of a huge catastrophe. The earth’s crust has massive amounts of layered sedimentary rock, sometimes miles (kilometers) deep! These layers of sand, soil, and material - mostly laid down by water - were once soft like mud, but they are now hard stone. Encased in these sedimentary layers are billions of dead things (fossils of plants and animals) buried very quickly! The evidence is EVERYWHERE!

Caught

The one where she is really busted in post message 91 by Catholic Scientist as he call himself:

Each year, water and winds erode about 20 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean. This material accumulates as loose sediment on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the sediment in the whole ocean is less than 400 meters. The main way known to remove the sediment from the ocean floor is by plate tectonic subduction. That is, sea floor slides slowly (a few cm/year) beneath the continents, taking some sediment with it. According to secular scientific literature, that process presently removes only 1 billion tons per year. As far as anyone knows, the other 19 billion tons per year simply accumulate. At that rate, erosion would deposit the present mass of sediment in less than 12 million years. Yet according to evolutionary theory, erosion and plate subduction have been going on as long as the oceans have existed, an alleged 3 billion years. If that were so, the rates above imply that the oceans would have massive amounts of sediment dozens of kilometers deep.

Source: everywhere, copy it all and search
Caught

Next one

Now the CM meteorite from Murchison, Victoria has over 70 amino acids and other compounds including carboxylic acids, hydroxy carboxylic acids, sulphonic and phosphonic acids, aliphatic, aromatic and polar hydrocarbons, fullerenes, heterocycles, carbonyl compounds, alcohols, amines and amides, which are all common on the Earth

Copy paste into google
Caught

Anita also tries to impress a scientific forum: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=99186
There are 536 post in that thread. The thread goes somehow like this:
Anita (A): here is my book and evidence
Forum (F): Mathematic patterns does not prove divine design. You assume the book of Enoch and Bible are true. Not impressed.
A: Giraffe are bad examples of Evolution – proves a designer!
F: Giraffes are excellent examples of evolution: here is some arguments and examples
A: not impressed. The transitional forms are other species not related to Giraffes
F: Ehm, yes they are.
Heidi (new user): Hi, Anita is awesome. I bought her book
F: Heidi banned: same IP address.
A: Rage, Kenosha public library computer! They had my book there!
F: (half hour later), no, Kenosha library did not have the book, ms suckpuppet, liar.
A: Rage, Heidi is innocent!
F: Sigh, no, you’re not innocent
A: Discrimination!
Admin: moved to pseudoscience because of extreme claims without supporting evidence or sources (Laplace’s law).
A: My math is correct
F: Hmm, nope, your math is incorrect!

Quite fascinating.

I did not check for plagiarizing, but it would surprise me if there was nothing to be found.

To clarify, I am not trying to disprove anything she said or plagiarized. Personally I think such patterns are quite interesting and fun to observe, but not a prove of divine design. I just do not like when people who plagiarize and lie about it and therefore I like to point it out. Some might say that this is irrelevant, and if you think it is irrelevant then it is also fine with me. I am probably satisfied if people just recognize what Anita posts is not novel ideas.

God bless

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Plagiarizing!
The relation between Meru and Anita caught my interest and I thought I would look into her posts a little bit.

In post message 43 Anita writes:

No I did not do my research on the 'Internet'. The 'Internet' is not a place to gather 'proper' research.

I had discovered something 'revolutionary' that I’m sure all of you here will appreciate

Anita proclaims she discovered it herself. She also says in post 43 her main source was the qabalah, bible, and the library.

Hey there bonbon,

Welcome to our forum!



It's great to have another forensic researcher amongst us!

Excellent work!

I'm really glad you pursued the "internet" angle. I knew with certainty that Anita was plagiarizing Meru's work. I think my detailed Post #46 comparing Meru's decades of sequential development vs. Anita's instant non-sequitur discovery proved that conclusively. But when confronted with the truth, Anitia merely reasserted that she had not copied his work, and then added the outrageous absurdity that she didn't even use the internet to do research (which obviously was her primary source). I explained why her assertion was transparently false but then let it go because continuing a discussion with someone willing to lie in the face of all facts is painfully tedious. Especially when the lies are as lame as "the internet is not a place to gather proper research" followed by volumes of obscure information available only on the internet and presented as her own original research!



We've now left forensics and entered the field of abnormal psychology. What in the world would motivate any human to lie so transparently as Anita Meyer? How could she think to get away with it? What did she hope to gain?

Again, welcome to our forum bonbon! You fit in well here. I hope you will stay and us bring forth more light into this dark world. I have a lot of current projects exposing lies. It seems to be my calling.

Richard

[Anita Meyer]

All of this is not so! I have an explanation for all this. This is how I function… when people ask me questions such as on forums like this or other forums I usually resort to trying to respond rather quickly or else posting could take me all day to try and say what I want to say. So some of the time I usually go on a Google search to get this info. In short - It cuts down on my time responding!

Is it right, well maybe not, but it works for me, along with getting the message accross. The Internet is a free for all - as we are using it right now! Additionally the one that you cited on the Sci FI forum, if you read through the whole thread you will notice that the moderator tries to tell me how to use the quotes bottom because I could not get it to work all the time. Additionally if you want to believe this shady character from the Sci Fi forum you can easily check out that he is lying by calling the Kenosha Public Library to see if they really do have my book.

Now as to you stalking me around the Internet, I will kindly ask you to please restrain from doing this! Any info that you use to defame me and my good name I will deal with outside the forum. I know who you are!

This is defeating the message on this forum here!

And I will tell you again, I did not plagiarize Meru!!! And if Meru has a problem with this they can contact me!

[Anita Meyer]

It seems like for what ever reasons people are out to destroy others. Perhaps it is a jealousy factor? Even the good, pious and religious people seem for some reason to have an evil inclination toward their fellow man/woman which obviously shows here. This is a religious forum. RAM you wrote a religious book! How is it that you can stomp others down in the name of G-d. All of this kind of makes me question your whole motive?

Why would you worry about destroying the good word of G-d when you yourself are promoting a religious viewpoint. As my publisher said: We all have a piece of the puzzle of life. And we all have the right to share that knowledge at any cost.

Why is this? Why are you so hell bent at destroying me? If I didn’t know any better I’d say it was evil working its way through you, trying to destroy the word of G-d in any which way it can!

By what other means would somebody try to drag his fellow man/woman down in the name of G-d?

???

[Richard Amiel McGough]

All of this is not so! I have an explanation for all this. This is how I function… when people ask me questions such as on forums like this or other forums I usually resort to trying to respond rather quickly or else posting could take me all day to try and say what I want to say. So some of the time I usually go on a Google search to get this info. In short - It cuts down on my time responding!

Hey there Anita,

Do you realize that you have changed your story? When I first said that it was "clear that you have researched the origin of the Hebrew alphabet on the internet" you DENIED that did your research on the internet! Here is the exchange we had:

Furthermore, it is clear that you have researched the origin of the Hebrew alphabet on the internet, and Tenen's work has been online for over a decade and it comes up on the first page when searching Google for "origin Hebrew alphabet." I'm sorry, but it seems impossible that you only "recently" became aware of his work.

No I did not do my research on the 'Internet'. The 'Internet' is not a place to gather 'proper' research. Some of my research was done at the library. However, most if not all my research was based primarily on the BIBLE itself - and the in-depth and independent study of it myself. Additionally, Meru is not off-hand accessible under a Google search as you claim. Even if it were (which I did check after you said this), is that if I did happen to come across it and open it up, it does not go straight to Meru’s letters. I found the Meru site to be very hard to navigate my way around it. The site has numerous things on it which really distracts away from the letters.

Now you say that "some of the time I usually go on a Google search to get this info." Your assertion that you did not use the internet for research was a LIE Anita. And you knew it was a lie because you knew perfectly well that you used the internet extensively to do your "research." This is particularly evident because a lot of the information you present is not available anywhere but the internet. I was going to point this out, but I figured "why bother" if you refused to even admit something as obvious as using the internet for research.

Can you understand why your claim appears not merely to be false, but absurd in the extreme?

And now bonbon has shown that you have plagiarized the writings of others in your answers ON THIS FORUM. And your explanation? You say:

This is how I function… when people ask me questions such as on forums like this or other forums I usually resort to trying to respond rather quickly or else posting could take me all day to try and say what I want to say. So some of the time I usually go on a Google search to get this info. In short - It cuts down on my time responding!

So now you say "This is how I function?" What happened to "I did not do my research on the Internet?"

Listen Anita, it is perfectly fine and completely acceptable to get information from the internet. And when you do that, all you need to do is write "Here's an answer that I found on this site ..." and all would be well. But you did not do that! You presented the writings of other people as if they were your own. The evidence is absolute and incontrovertible.

I see no other conclusion possible: you have been caught both plagiarizing and lying.

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

It seems like for what ever reasons people are out to destroy others. Perhaps it is a jealousy factor? Even the good, pious and religious people seem for some reason to have an evil inclination toward their fellow man/woman which obviously shows here. This is a religious forum. RAM you wrote a religious book! How is it that you can stomp others down in the name of G-d. All of this kind of makes me question your whole motive?

Anita,

I worship the Truth.

The Truth has eyes like fire.

Lies instantly burn like dry stubble in the Light of Truth.

God is a consuming fire.

Your work is being tested in the Fire of Truth.

Whatever is true will remain.

Why would you worry about destroying the good word of G-d when you yourself are promoting a religious viewpoint. As my publisher said: We all have a piece of the puzzle of life. And we all have the right to share that knowledge at any cost.

One of the worst CRIMES in all creation is to LIE in the name of God.

You have been caught plagiarizing and lying Anita. You have claimed that "your" discoveries prove G-d!

How did you think you could get away with this? You plagiarized works right off the internet! How could you be so foolish? Did it never occur to you that you would get caught?

Why is this? Why are you so hell bent at destroying me? If I didn’t know any better I’d say it was evil working its way through you, trying to destroy the word of G-d in any which way it can!

I am not hell-bent on destroying you Anita! On the contrary - I am seeking your salvation! All you need to do is to repent of your lies and you will be free. That's all there is to it. If you do not repent, it is you that will be hell-bent!

[Anita Meyer]

So now you say "This is how I function?" What happened to "I did not do my research on the Internet?"

I meant this is how I function ONLY WHEN I POST ON FORUMS, and at no other time do I happen to do this. Other than posting on forums, I do not spend much time on the Internet. I did not do my research on the Internet! Stop trying to catch me up in your snare!

I do not appreciate this, and it is very low of you! I DO NOT LIE and have openly admitted the reason for why wordings in my posts can be found elsewhere on the Internet!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I meant this is how I function ONLY WHEN I POST ON FORUMS, and at no other time do I happen to do this. Other than posting on forums, I do not spend much time on the Internet. I did not do my research on the Internet! Stop trying to catch me up in your snare!

Hey there Anita,

I'm not trying to catch you up in my snare. You have caught yourself up in your own snare. The thing you fail to understand is that your lies are self-evident and totally obvious to folks familiar with the subject matter that you are presenting as "your own research" done "independently" of the internet. We've all seen this stuff posted on the internet by the original researchers long before you came on the scene to claim it as your own.

We had all the evidence we needed to convict you of plagiarism when you presented your "primordial form" as your own work and claimed that you had "only recently" become familiar with Stan Tenen's work. To support that lie you denied using the internet for research, but then got caught here in this forum not only using the internet for research, but using it to plagiarize information from other sites!

Look at that! Not only did you get caught in a lie, but the lie included another demonstrable case of plagiarism! That's an amazing "double-whammy." And that's how a web of lies works. It inevitably snares the liar into a tangled web from which they can never escape.

Case in point: Now you say that you only use the internet to "answer questions" about your work? That's insane! How can there be "answers" to your original research on other internet sites? And why did you present their words as your own? And beyond all this, your assertion that you only recently became familiar with Meru's work is PROVEN to be a lie because there is no way in the world you could be doing research to "answer questions" about your work without encountering his work, which has been on the internet for over a decade and comes up on the first page when searching for information about the origin of the Hebrew alphabet.

Do you not see the interconnected web of evidence here? Everything confirms everything else. All your excuses ring exceedingly hollow. The Truth wins Anita. That's just how it is in the Real World.

Richard

[Anita Meyer]

RAM, for the last time! The 'One Primordial Form' is solely MINE! Unless you can prove otherwise, I suggest you drop it!

You are entitled to your own opinion RAM. However I think it’s a known fact that anyone that searches the Internet can see that I’ve only been posting on forums after my book came out. However, I used to participate on the Atlantis Rising forum, here and there, few and far appart, sometime before I actually starting writing my book which is the place that actually first prompted me to start writing. You can go there and look for yourself, there is NOT ONE MENTION about the Meru Foundation in any of my postings! That is the only place you will find me on the Internet from 2005. And this is a FACT that all can see!

RAM, you can make your own assessment of me, but it doesn’t mean that it is right!

I thought this was a place to share knowledge, looks like it’s a place to actually keep knowledge hided (maybe you are one of those Mason members). Additionally this might be a forum to see who knows what, and then repress them when you realize they know more than you, or maybe know to much.

I always say, live life to the fullest, you never know when its your time.