Hi Kathryn. Don't give up so easily. All I needed to know is what your question is, or what was the conclusion of your point. I gathered that your main objective is to prove that Prophesy is not yet fully completed because of how you interpret "Pentecost". I understand your position on this, but I have not seen any conclusive evidence from scripture.
Originally Posted by kathryn
Studying the Old Testament is awesome, because it complements the New Testament. The Old Testament paints a lot of pictures that are shown to be fulfilled in the New Testament age. With regards to the Law, Paul clearly states that it's requirements were nailed to the cross; thus, the observances of Pentecost, and other annual holidays required under the Law, are no longer applicable.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith [IN CHRIST].
Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
Paul makes it clear that paying attention to the Law and trying to establish a relationship with God by observing the works of the Law is pointless. Most importantly, trying to study the requirements of the law to determine the fulfillment of Prophesy is not only illogical, but vague at best. Pentecost was an observance of the Law, that unfortunately has carried over into the Church Age by the rather ritualistic practices of the RCC and the Greek Orthodox Church; to this day, both still combine Old Testament practices into the New Testament Church. While it is true that Jewish observances of the Law, with regards to its rituals, sacraments, and practices, are great to study to see how they communicate the intensions of God in the New Covenant, it unscriptural to attempt to combine the rituals or sacraments of the Law with the Christian Church. Paul says that the Galatians received the Spirit by hearing with faith; not by observing the law (this includes Pentecost).
Therefore, I’m more than happy to study these things. But I do not see any reason that we should study the observances of the Law to determine Prophesy. Thus when you say that you’ve laid out a very good explanation, I must disagree. Most of what you provided Kathryn are inferences; that is, conclusions that may be right, but have yet to be proven.
Remember, Gentiles during Paul’s day received the Spirit as a down-payment without any prior knowledge of the Law and its works. That is because Jesus is the Law, and that Law abides in our hearts. Does Jesus expect us to observe Pentecost, circumcision of the flesh, feastings, fasting, new moon celebrations, and the like? May it never be. For those things were a picture pointing us to Christ, and those things were nailed to the cross, never to be observed or required again. All we learn now is what the Spirit teaches us, and Pentecost is not one of those requirements taught by the Spirit. If we choose to start observing the Law and its requirements, we then become what Paul warned the Galatians about; fallen from grace.
Justification, Sanctification, and grace are all taught in Christ Jesus, and not by observing the different works of the Law.
Another point you made with regards to Pentecost is the resurrection/redemption of our bodies. It is not our earthly bodies that are raised; rather our spirits are given new heavenly bodies, bearing the heavenly image in power. And because you view the resurrection as one where our earthly bodies must be raised [assuming you mean at the last day], the ideals of Pentecost are yet to be fulfilled [per your view]. I believe this was fulfilled in the first century, sometime at or before 70AD. During the days of the Apostles, the resurrection had not yet occurred while the former temple was still standing; although we are resurrected when we have been Baptized into Christ; this is the first resurrection. But as long as the old temple still stood, the way into the most Holy Place was not yet provided. In my opinion, this is because the Church Age was still being established by the Apostles; they had not yet gone out unto all the nations to build the new building; the new temple; the New Heaven and New Earth. All of these things were being built by the works/building of the Apostles, with Jesus as the “corner stone”. When the Apostles completed their mission, then the time for judgment and the resurrection of the dead came. Preterists believe this happened in 70AD, when the “books were opened” and those of the remnant of Israel who were elected to the calling of Christ, and who were dead, came to life in 70AD, when the former temple was destroyed, and the New Wife had been married to the Messiah. The first wife had to first be set aside, having been judged as an adulterous and treacherous wife; she sold herself to the Romans and committed serious Apostasy, and was thus left for dead in “Gahanna”; the place where their dead bodies were burned.
In conclusion, Pentecost was a picture of the Old Testament that was completed in the first century, during the 40 days of wilderness as the Apostles continued their assigned work in building the Kingdom. Their redemption came at the closing of 70AD, just as Jesus said, “When you see these things begin to take place, lift up your heads for your redemption draw near…” Did they see “these things”? Yes, when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem and encompassed her, leaving her starved and stricken with famine. Those who would be saved/delivered from this wrath were those who knew that the coming of Christ was just around the corner. That is why they all knew it was the “last hour” and that the “end of all things was at hand”. And thus was fulfilled all the Law and the Prophets, when the adulterous wife had been killed, and the new wife had made herself ready; the Church of Jesus Christ; the eternal Kingdom that shall never see end, nor ever see an end to her growth.
Last edited by TheForgiven; 03-10-2011 at 04:06 AM.
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