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    I have decided to create a new thread so that members could followup and put news of the progress of the third temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem.

    There is already a plan to rebuilt the third temple in Jerusalem. The Jews in Israel have already prepared many articals necessary for the 3rd temple.

    http://www.squidoo.com/templejerusalem

    Third Temple Plans for Rebuilding in Jerusalem.

    They could start building tomorrow. There are 12 groups that are in preparation. They've chosen the location, a computer registry of 300,000 of the sons of Aaron (the Levites), many robes are prepared, over 150 sacred vessels have already been restored, including some of the most difficult and complicated projects, such as the Menorah and the precious stones of the High Priest's breastplate. The architects are selected to rebuild with plans according to the bible. All but the ark of the covenant, which they believe is there. Also needed is a pure red heifer.

    Discoveries about the temple, sacrifice, offerings, covenants, rebuilding of a new temple and more. See vessels that are ready and where the temple could be rebuilt.


    Originally Posted by Unregistered
    01/29/2010 today's news

    Animal Sacrifices to Start March 16, 2010

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7VVc...layer_embedded

    8-minute video of J. R. Church who is telling about the plan to begin animal sacrifices in Jerusalem when a synagogue is completed on March 15/16, 2010. An important milestone in the coming destruction of Jerusalem.

    also see background to the date of March 15, 2010.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjB5Z...eature=related
    Things look exciting now.

    Many Blessings.

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    I also heard they are now planning a Super Wal-Mart in Cleveland. Those who consider Wal-Mart to be greatest place to shop for all their needs (perhaps one could say the center of their shopping world) are very excited about this building!

    It would be good to keep an eye on both these future buildings as they are equally significant covenantally and in God's eyes.

    Cheow, sorry about the sarcasm, but it's my way of making a point. If you understand one of the main tenents of Christ's teaching - faithfully repeated by the apostles - you will realize there are only two types of people after Christ - BELIEVERS and non-BELIEVERS. That's it. Read the olive tree illustration in Romans 11 and you will see that the only characteristic that counts to be "on" the tree (Christ) is belief. Both Jews or Gentiles can be grafted in or broken off.

    If that isn't enough here are a few more ref's :

    Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they [are] not all Israel who [are] of Israel, 7 nor [are they] all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who [are] the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you [are] Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Gal 4:24 ....which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar -- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children -- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac [was,] are children of promise. 30 .... "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."


    Peter speaking of believers in Christ contrasted with Christ-rejecting Jews:
    1 Pet 2:9 But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once [were] not a people but [are] now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

    Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who [is one] outwardly, nor [is] circumcision that which [is] outward in the flesh; 29 but [he is] a Jew who [is one] inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the Spirit,


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    Hi Cheow,

    It might be exciting to read about all the things that are going on in Israel, but one thing we know for sure....God will never again dwell in a house made with hands here on earth!
    1Cor.3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    2Cor.5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    2Cor.6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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    I remember a Chaplin I met in Korea back in 1996 said that I was stupid for not believing that prophesy was being fulfilled in my very eyes. He showed me a video of priests residing in Jerusalem indicating that they had plans in place to begin building the 3rd temple.

    Case in point. This is the same old stuff I've heard for more than 14 years. Given the fact that it's taking them so long to even "think" of building a 3rd temple, is an obvious indicator that God has no purpose or hand in this; it's all man-made myths.

    Should they actually succeed in building a 3rd temple, the Futurist's still have yet to even show how this was prophesied to happen. More importantly, what would be the point?

    Now the Futurist's will insist that a 3rd temple is needed so that a future figure could claim he was the Messiah, and give way to the futurist idea of the AC. I wonder how John could have interpreted the signs of the "last hour" in his generation, when our own generation (2000 years later) seem to believe that John got it all wrong. Funny how they try to twist the time-span of John, and claim that John was right about the signs of the AC, but his time was based on God's time, so the signs of the AC that existed 2000 years ago, are still in effect today. But nooooo! Watch out! Here comes the 3rd temple, so now the true AC will be revealed. This still presumes a false notion that the signs John saw 2000 years ago were not true signs because the 3rd temple was yet to be rebuilt......2000 years ahead of John.

    Sorry Cheow.....the 3rd temple theory is of no significance, and it does not have biblical support. And I have my doubts that they would even succeed as long as the Palestinians are still there.

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    Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.

    The Tabernacle/Temple was based on three different ideas. The basic layout was reflected by the garden of Eden. Added to this were things of heaven and also God's plan of salvation – very ingenious.

    The later Temple was based on the Tabernacle. The first one was built by Solomon - David's son. It was destroyed when Israel went into captivity in Babylon.

    When the Jews came back from the captivity in Babylon, they wanted to rebuild the temple, but they were in a quandary. The writings of Ezekiel were widely known, but these specifications were so undefined that they finally decided to build a copy of Solomons temple with a few items taken from from Ezekiel temple. (Artscroll Mishna commentary) Besides there was no command to build Ezekiels temple.

    God surreptitiously sent Jesus to the cross to atone for the whole world. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached a very significant sermon to all of Israel. He said that they crucified the messiah – but now all could come to him for forgiveness –*thousands did. God gave Israel 40 years (29AD to 70AD) to repent. In those days the Disciples and Apostles went to all of the known world as a witness.

    In 66AD the end times had come - for this was the year of the beginning of the Jewish revolt against Rome. When Jesus died the New Covenant was established in his blood. The Old Covenant place of meeting was no longer needed as the New Holy of Holies was now within the believers. The old Holy of Holies was symbolically the place in the garden where God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. The rending of the Veil of the Temple opened the gates to the Garden once again. God once again walks and talks with all of his people.
    *
    God gave Israel many, many signs in that 40 years. It has been recorded that a bright light appeared over the alter for about an hour and removed to the summit of the Mount of Olives for a period of 3 ½ years – the Shekinah. The massive doors of the Nicanor gate swung open at night by themselves – it took twenty men to open them normally. A sound of many voices said that they were departing hence. The scarlet cord never turned white in all those 40 years. In the scapegoat ritual the priests drew by lottery the black stone all 40 times – never the white. The western light (center – Edersheim) on the huge menorah in the Holy Place would go out every night. This light was symbolic of Jesus and was never extinguished. God gave Israel all kinds of signs pointing them to the Cross of Jesus. The Shikinah glory departed the Mount of Olives just before the destruction of the temple never to return again. With the destruction of the Temple the Old Covenant and all of its animal sacrifices and rituals were done away with just like a placenta after the birth.

    The Jews have been trying to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple since 70AD when Israel was destroyed by the Romans – so the idea that the Jews are only recently inspired to return to Palestine is an error - this is nothing new. The problem that they have had is that they have always been an occupied minority and could never get the acquiescence of any government long enough to accomplish their goals – until the USA came along that is. The Jews have tried to do a restart all through history, but God has continually frustrated their efforts. They have made three attempts of record and the closest they came to rebuilding the Temple was under the Emperor Constantine, who had given them permission to do so. But under pressure from the Christian leadership he was convinced that he had made a mistake. He recanted and had the ears cut off of all the priests and craftsmen, so the work stopped. A deformed person was not allowed to build the temple.

    So the works fell into ruin. In the ruins of the partially rebuilt Temple was a section of the western wall of the Holy of Holies. This was the rebuilt “wailing wall” of the Jews. On the first day of Passover, while the Jews were meeting in a cave used as a Synagogue under the ruins of the Partially rebuilt Temple - the wall suddenly collapsed. The significance of this event is that this was the day that Jesus was crucified long ago. Another “arrow” pointing to something – the cross. The Temple was to be rebuilt in the time of the Bar Kochba war - it wasn't because the Jews lost again - for the last time. An attempt was made under Julian the Apostate in 363AD - the work was destroyed by subterranian fires.

    Even today the Jews are still totally frustrated in their forth attempt to rebuild the Temple because of the fact that the Muslims have control of the so called “temple mount.” This makes their plans impossible because of the potential violence of acquiring the temple mount from the Muslims. Actually, the complete temple was totally destroyed as Jesus predicted – not one stone was left upon another. What they are calling the Temple Mount today is in fact the Fortress Antonia. This is born out by hundreds of historical records. If they weren't so dogmatic on their beliefs - they could start tomorrow on their new Temple simply by moving a few things including a highway.

    The answer is that God only has one plan of Salvation – there is no optional one that reverts to the closed covenant of the past. He is herding the Jews*through pressure forward to the cross and not backward to the old system of symbolic rituals, which all depicted the Spiritual realm of the Messiah. When I see how God has frustrated all four or maybe more unrecorded attempts so far - I am convinced that the Temple that the Radical Jews and the Christian Zionists so earnestly desire because it is a major prerequisite of their complex Eschatological beliefs. The Temple will never be rebuilt again based on History.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codger View Post
    Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.
    I agree completely. You gave lots of good reasons, but I would add three more:

    1. The Temple was only a TYPE. The Body of Christ is the true Temple. And now that the True has come, there is no place for the shadow.
    2. There is no Biblical prophesy of a rebuilt Temple
    3. Even if the Jews built something and called it a "Temple" God would not sanctify it because they are in rebellion against God and Christ. So it would be impossible to "desecrate" a non-sanctified building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codger View Post
    Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.

    The Tabernacle/Temple was based on three different ideas. The basic layout was reflected by the garden of Eden. Added to this were things of heaven and also God's plan of salvation very ingenious.

    The later Temple was based on the Tabernacle. The first one was built by Solomon - David's son. It was destroyed when Israel went into captivity in Babylon.

    When the Jews came back from the captivity in Babylon, they wanted to rebuild the temple, but they were in a quandary. The writings of Ezekiel were widely known, but these specifications were so undefined that they finally decided to build a copy of Solomons temple with a few items taken from from Ezekiel temple. (Artscroll Mishna commentary) Besides there was no command to build Ezekiels temple.

    God surreptitiously sent Jesus to the cross to atone for the whole world. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached a very significant sermon to all of Israel. He said that they crucified the messiah but now all could come to him for forgiveness *thousands did. God gave Israel 40 years (29AD to 70AD) to repent. In those days the Disciples and Apostles went to all of the known world as a witness.

    In 66AD the end times had come - for this was the year of the beginning of the Jewish revolt against Rome. When Jesus died the New Covenant was established in his blood. The Old Covenant place of meeting was no longer needed as the New Holy of Holies was now within the believers. The old Holy of Holies was symbolically the place in the garden where God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. The rending of the Veil of the Temple opened the gates to the Garden once again. God once again walks and talks with all of his people.
    *
    God gave Israel many, many signs in that 40 years. It has been recorded that a bright light appeared over the alter for about an hour and removed to the summit of the Mount of Olives for a period of 3 years the Shekinah. The massive doors of the Nicanor gate swung open at night by themselves it took twenty men to open them normally. A sound of many voices said that they were departing hence. The scarlet cord never turned white in all those 40 years. In the scapegoat ritual the priests drew by lottery the black stone all 40 times never the white. The western light (center Edersheim) on the huge menorah in the Holy Place would go out every night. This light was symbolic of Jesus and was never extinguished. God gave Israel all kinds of signs pointing them to the Cross of Jesus. The Shikinah glory departed the Mount of Olives just before the destruction of the temple never to return again. With the destruction of the Temple the Old Covenant and all of its animal sacrifices and rituals were done away with just like a placenta after the birth.

    The Jews have been trying to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple since 70AD when Israel was destroyed by the Romans so the idea that the Jews are only recently inspired to return to Palestine is an error - this is nothing new. The problem that they have had is that they have always been an occupied minority and could never get the acquiescence of any government long enough to accomplish their goals until the USA came along that is. The Jews have tried to do a restart all through history, but God has continually frustrated their efforts. They have made three attempts of record and the closest they came to rebuilding the Temple was under the Emperor Constantine, who had given them permission to do so. But under pressure from the Christian leadership he was convinced that he had made a mistake. He recanted and had the ears cut off of all the priests and craftsmen, so the work stopped. A deformed person was not allowed to build the temple.

    So the works fell into ruin. In the ruins of the partially rebuilt Temple was a section of the western wall of the Holy of Holies. This was the rebuilt 'wailing wall' of the Jews. On the first day of Passover, while the Jews were meeting in a cave used as a Synagogue under the ruins of the Partially rebuilt Temple - the wall suddenly collapsed. The significance of this event is that this was the day that Jesus was crucified long ago. Another 'arrow' pointing to something the cross. The Temple was to be rebuilt in the time of the Bar Kochba war - it wasn't because the Jews lost again - for the last time. An attempt was made under Julian the Apostate in 363AD - the work was destroyed by subterranian fires.

    Even today the Jews are still totally frustrated in their forth attempt to rebuild the Temple because of the fact that the Muslims have control of the so called 'temple mount.' This makes their plans impossible because of the potential violence of acquiring the temple mount from the Muslims. Actually, the complete temple was totally destroyed as Jesus predicted not one stone was left upon another. What they are calling the Temple Mount today is in fact the Fortress Antonia. This is born out by hundreds of historical records. If they weren't so dogmatic on their beliefs - they could start tomorrow on their new Temple simply by moving a few things including a highway.

    The answer is that God only has one plan of Salvation there is no optional one that reverts to the closed covenant of the past. He is herding the Jews*through pressure forward to the cross and not backward to the old system of symbolic rituals, which all depicted the Spiritual realm of the Messiah. When I see how God has frustrated all four or maybe more unrecorded attempts so far - I am convinced that the Temple that the Radical Jews and the Christian Zionists so earnestly desire because it is a major prerequisite of their complex Eschatological beliefs. The Temple will never be rebuilt again based on History.
    ...but I have to disagree with your conclusion. The temple could very well be built in the future. God permits a lot of sinful acts. However, and this is one big however, God will never dwell within that temple, for He dwells within His saints. The temple may get built again but it will serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. Are we to assume that the sin offerings mentioned in Ezekiel's temple (the alleged millennial temple) Ezekiel 40:39; 42:13; 43:19,21,22,25; 44:27,29; 45:17,19,22,23,25; 46:20 are to be carried out by a Jewish priesthood when Christians are the royal priesthood (1 Pet 2:9) and deapite the fact that Jesus Christ was the F-I-N-A-L offering for sin. It makes no difference if these offerings are to be for memorial purposes. There is not one single Scripture that even hints at Ezekiel's sacrifices as being in memorium - that should settle it right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    I agree completely. You gave lots of good reasons, but I would add three more:

    1. The Temple was only a TYPE. The Body of Christ is the true Temple. And now that the True has come, there is no place for the shadow.
    2. There is no Biblical prophesy of a rebuilt Temple
    3. Even if the Jews built something and called it a "Temple" God would not sanctify it because they are in rebellion against God and Christ. So it would be impossible to "desecrate" a non-sanctified building.
    The typology of the OT is completely ignored. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law - including the temple, for He is the corner stone of that (spiritual) temple and we are the lively stones (Ephesians 2:20, 1 Pet 2:5)

    I liked that third point. Can't desecrate that which is considered holy. But you can desecrate that which was considered holy - Herod's first century temple which was completely destroyed in the Roman Jewish wars circa 70 AD.

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    Why the Temple will never be rebuilt.

    The Tabernacle/Temple was based on three different ideas. The basic layout was reflected by the garden of Eden. Added to this were things of heaven and also God's plan of salvation – very ingenious.

    The later Temple was based on the Tabernacle. The first one was built by Solomon - David's son. It was destroyed when Israel went into captivity in Babylon.

    When the Jews came back from the captivity in Babylon, they wanted to rebuild the temple, but they were in a quandary. The writings of Ezekiel were widely known, but these specifications were so undefined that they finally decided to build a copy of Solomons temple with a few items taken from from Ezekiel temple. (Artscroll Mishna commentary) Besides there was no command to build Ezekiels temple.

    God surreptitiously sent Jesus to the cross to atone for the whole world. But on the day of Pentecost Peter preached a very significant sermon to all of Israel. He said that they crucified the messiah – but now all could come to him for forgiveness –*thousands did. God gave Israel 40 years (29AD to 70AD) to repent. In those days the Disciples and Apostles went to all of the known world as a witness.

    In 66AD the end times had come - for this was the year of the beginning of the Jewish revolt against Rome. When Jesus died the New Covenant was established in his blood. The Old Covenant place of meeting was no longer needed as the New Holy of Holies was now within the believers. The old Holy of Holies was symbolically the place in the garden where God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. The rending of the Veil of the Temple opened the gates to the Garden once again. God once again walks and talks with all of his people.
    *
    God gave Israel many, many signs in that 40 years. It has been recorded that a bright light appeared over the alter for about an hour and removed to the summit of the Mount of Olives for a period of 3 ½ years – the Shekinah. The massive doors of the Nicanor gate swung open at night by themselves – it took twenty men to open them normally. A sound of many voices said that they were departing hence. The scarlet cord never turned white in all those 40 years. In the scapegoat ritual the priests drew by lottery the black stone all 40 times – never the white. The western light (center – Edersheim) on the huge menorah in the Holy Place would go out every night. This light was symbolic of Jesus and was never extinguished. God gave Israel all kinds of signs pointing them to the Cross of Jesus. The Shikinah glory departed the Mount of Olives just before the destruction of the temple never to return again. With the destruction of the Temple the Old Covenant and all of its animal sacrifices and rituals were done away with just like a placenta after the birth.

    The Jews have been trying to return to their homeland and rebuild the Temple since 70AD when Israel was destroyed by the Romans – so the idea that the Jews are only recently inspired to return to Palestine is an error - this is nothing new. The problem that they have had is that they have always been an occupied minority and could never get the acquiescence of any government long enough to accomplish their goals – until the USA came along that is. The Jews have tried to do a restart all through history, but God has continually frustrated their efforts. They have made three attempts of record and the closest they came to rebuilding the Temple was under the Emperor Constantine, who had given them permission to do so. But under pressure from the Christian leadership he was convinced that he had made a mistake. He recanted and had the ears cut off of all the priests and craftsmen, so the work stopped. A deformed person was not allowed to build the temple.

    So the works fell into ruin. In the ruins of the partially rebuilt Temple was a section of the western wall of the Holy of Holies. This was the rebuilt “wailing wall” of the Jews. On the first day of Passover, while the Jews were meeting in a cave used as a Synagogue under the ruins of the Partially rebuilt Temple - the wall suddenly collapsed. The significance of this event is that this was the day that Jesus was crucified long ago. Another “arrow” pointing to something – the cross. The Temple was to be rebuilt in the time of the Bar Kochba war - it wasn't because the Jews lost again - for the last time. An attempt was made under Julian the Apostate in 363AD - the work was destroyed by subterranian fires.

    Even today the Jews are still totally frustrated in their forth attempt to rebuild the Temple because of the fact that the Muslims have control of the so called “temple mount.” This makes their plans impossible because of the potential violence of acquiring the temple mount from the Muslims. Actually, the complete temple was totally destroyed as Jesus predicted – not one stone was left upon another. What they are calling the Temple Mount today is in fact the Fortress Antonia. This is born out by hundreds of historical records. If they weren't so dogmatic on their beliefs - they could start tomorrow on their new Temple simply by moving a few things including a highway.

    The answer is that God only has one plan of Salvation – there is no optional one that reverts to the closed covenant of the past. He is herding the Jews*through pressure forward to the cross and not backward to the old system of symbolic rituals, which all depicted the Spiritual realm of the Messiah. When I see how God has frustrated all four or maybe more unrecorded attempts so far - I am convinced that the Temple that the Radical Jews and the Christian Zionists so earnestly desire because it is a major prerequisite of their complex Eschatological beliefs. The Temple will never be rebuilt again based on History.
    That was a very well thought out post brother Codger! Brilliant!

    The details slightly differ from my perspective, but our conclusions are the same; the temple may or may not be rebuilt, but no matter what, it'd be meaningless. As brother Richard rightly states, WE are the temple of the living God. Therefore, any physical temple built by the modern day geographical Israel (or Americans) is useless, and would not serve a purpose. Of course the British/American Dispensationalist's would insist that prophesy is coming true, and they'd just pride themselves in achievement as though they were a direct contributor to prophesy coming true....as if! John Haggee actually thinks he's participating in Prophesy with his "Send a Jew Home" program.

    I look forward to reading more brilliant posts from you my friend. Welcome to the Forum.

    Joe

    On a side note, we got about 8 inches of snow in the South East! I wish it were possible to post a picture so you could see. We're not used to that kind of snow in SC. It's a glorious white, and full of beauty. God's world is wonderful indeed! At least to those of us who love His creation, and not yearn for its destruction. We're not to hate the world itself; only its politics and sin.
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    I think some of you missed my point. I am saying that God is active in preventing the Jews from doing their own thing. He can do this quite easlly. A couple years ago everyone was all excited because they had found a perfect Red Heifer. Later it was announced that it was imperfect. Just one more frustration. God is only going to allow them to do things that suit his purpose.

    The Jews through political intrigue and manipulation with the United States and GB was able to bring about the present day state of Israel by force. They wrested the land from the Arabs with shameful abandon. Now they have a tiger by the tail and they can't let go. In fact their situation becomes more precarious by the year with the advent of Nuclear bombs becoming available to their enemies. This is probably the main reason for the enormous popularity of Dispensationalism.

    But this serves Gods purpose which is to get them to the Cross by using extreme pressure - just like he has done to most of us. How many here have come to the Lord in great difficulty and pain. Count me in. We only seem to be open to hearing from God when we get to the end of ourselves - which is where the Jews are going. God loves us enough that he puts extreme pressure on us. If he did nothing we would just perish in our sins.

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