Was Paul a false apostle?

[gregoryfl]

A man is found dead at the bottom of a cliff. 2 Local papers write about the death.

One paper says "Man dies by a hit and run."

The other paper says "Man dies from complications after falling off a cliff."

Which paper do you believe? They both have their eyewitnesses sharing what happened.

Answer that and you will have the answer to your question about the 4 accounts, and the difference of John compared to the others.

Ron

[Richard Amiel McGough]

A man is found dead at the bottom of a cliff. 2 Local papers write about the death.

One paper says "Man dies by a hit and run."

The other paper says "Man dies from complications after falling off a cliff."

Which paper do you believe? They both have their eyewitnesses sharing what happened.

Answer that and you will have the answer to your question about the 4 accounts, and the difference of John compared to the others.

Ron

Excellent answer Ron!

If the Gospels were identical, three would be redundant and we would be missing the richness that comes only from having four views of the life of Christ.

It is also extremely important to note that God designed the differences on the pattern of the Hebrew alphabet as explained in my article called Solution to the Synoptic Problem.

And we should not forget the correlation of the Four Gospels with the Four Cherubim as explained in my article called Fulfillment of Ezekiel's Prophecy of the Wheels.

Richard

[derekkye]

A man is found dead at the bottom of a cliff. 2 Local papers write about the death.

One paper says "Man dies by a hit and run."

The other paper says "Man dies from complications after falling off a cliff."

Which paper do you believe? They both have their eyewitnesses sharing what happened.

Answer that and you will have the answer to your question about the 4 accounts, and the difference of John compared to the others.

Ron

Are you serious? I would assume the man got hit, fell, and died as a result of his injuries. Two different events are being talked about, and it seems the question of fact here is how the person died - was it from getting hit, or from the fall? The witnesses wouldn't know that.

Now answer the question - who carried the cross of Jesus?

Proverbs 10:10
He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

[derekkye]

If the Gospels were identical, three would be redundant and we would be missing the richness that comes only from having four views of the life of Christ.

Are you saying for the sake of not being redundant it's okay to say Jesus did something that he didn't do?

[CWH]

facts - okay let's start with the gospels. We seem to have four accounts of what Jesus did and said. Not all the gospels write about the same things that Jesus did or said, but there are some instances where they do. In these instances their accounts should be IDENTICAL - after all they are witnessing the same event.

So a question of fact - Who carried the cross of Jesus?

According to Mathew, Mark, and Luke it wasn't Jesus.






According to John it was Jesus who carried His own cross



Lets the words speak for themselves. This is not a translation problem. This is not a "context" problem that so often gets mentioned. It is a different account altogether of what happened.

So who carried the cross of Jesus?

Because I adhere to the gospel of John I say Jesus did.

Hi derekkye,

You have said that if 2 or 3 persons said the same thing about the words of God then it must be true. Matthew, Luke and Mark said the same thing that Simon of Cyrene carried the cross except for John, then I would say that Matthew, Luke and Mark were saying the truth except John. Therefore, can I say that John was a liar and must be a false apostle. No, because the BIble is also known to contain errors and that I have stated in my thread, "Contradictions and errors in the Bible" under Bible Studies. http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1186

I said this as an example of how you deduce Paul as a false apostle.

Many Blessings.

[gregoryfl]

Are you serious? I would assume the man got hit, fell, and died as a result of his injuries. Two different events are being talked about, and it seems the question of fact here is how the person died - was it from getting hit, or from the fall? The witnesses wouldn't know that.

Now answer the question - who carried the cross of Jesus?

Proverbs 10:10
He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.

My scenario of the accounts was indeed a serious one, and the assumption you made was correct. I make the same assumption, that Jesus started out carrying the cross, but then because of his weakness from the horrible beating he took, they compelled the other man to carry it the rest of the way. I suspect that you will not believe that, but you have your answer. The answer is that both carried it, each at different times.

Ron

[derekkye]

You have said that if 2 or 3 persons said the same thing about the words of God then it must be true.

I did not say that.

My scenario of the accounts was indeed a serious one, and the assumption you made was correct. I make the same assumption, that Jesus started out carrying the cross, but then because of his weakness from the horrible beating he took, they compelled the other man to carry it the rest of the way. I suspect that you will not believe that, but you have your answer. The answer is that both carried it, each at different times.

No I don't believe that, but I do concede that is possible.

According to John Jesus did not go into the wilderness immediately after receiving the Spirit for forty days and forty nights as the others say. According to John Jesus rounded up His disciples, and on the third day attended a wedding in Cana of Galilee.

This a major difference between the gospels. So the question is did Jesus go into the wilderness for 40days/40 nights immediately after receiving the Spirit, or didn't he. John seems to STRONGLY indicate that He did not.

Read John 1:32-35, 1:43, and 2:1.

Choose your account of what happened

choose Mathew, Mark, and Luke

or

choose John

because their accounts of what happened are not the same, and are different in more than trivial ways

[derekkye]

Hi derekkye,

You have said that if 2 or 3 persons said the same thing about the words of God then it must be true. Matthew, Luke and Mark said the same thing that Simon of Cyrene carried the cross except for John, then I would say that Matthew, Luke and Mark were saying the truth except John. Therefore, can I say that John was a liar and must be a false apostle. No, because the BIble is also known to contain errors and that I have stated in my thread, "Contradictions and errors in the Bible" under Bible Studies. http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1186

I said this as an example of how you deduce Paul as a false apostle.

Many Blessings.

You can't say the bible is God's word, and then say bible contains errors. The two just don't go together. God knew what His word in english was going to be long before it came into print for us to read. The bible contains God's word, and God has allowed the devil's word in there too. Those who know God will come to know the difference between the two. Of course this is my opinion.