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#### Another Area Of Study Where Electricity Is Being Acknowledged

Saw this on the T-Bolts site the other day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QfpbyjCaE A trail of ionized material streaming behind a meteor seems

Silence Today, 04:48 AM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

First off, it's about choosing the rights words also since mankind is not created stupid

Now I am born in the 29th June 1988 in the

Desmild 06-23-2017, 06:26 PM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

So you really believe I am the Angel of the Lord because this can't be a random coincidence?

Richard Amiel McGough = 175 = The Angel of the

Richard Amiel McGough 06-23-2017, 06:07 PM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

Talking about random stuff here, have I mentioned that I am born in the year:
(Hebrew) "Jesus" 397 + 37th Triangle + 888 "Jesus"

Desmild 06-23-2017, 05:33 PM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

The values of word nr 175 & 197 (values of our names) = 570
57 = "Golden" = "Bible Code" (A=1 B=2 C=3)

Total

Desmild 06-23-2017, 02:58 PM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

- Total value of Vs(57) = 37 + Total value

Desmild 06-23-2017, 11:22 AM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

A random coincidence? No way! I know it is not a coincidence because the Bible Code proves that I am the Angel of the Lord!

Richard Amiel

Richard Amiel McGough 06-22-2017, 06:07 PM

#### Days of Noah

The second is not the basis of the hour. The hour was defined first, and then subdivided into 3600 seconds much later. To borrow your phrase, "you

Richard Amiel McGough 06-21-2017, 06:50 PM

#### The Woman clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet

I'm just trying to figure out how this fits since you say the Bible originates from the Babylonians
It's just that one problem that the Bible

Desmild 06-21-2017, 01:09 PM

#### Days of Noah

Nothing ?

I thought you'd be ready to discuss the finer details of Mesopotamian astronomy, Richard

oh well

Snakeboy 06-21-2017, 10:15 AM

#### The Woman clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet

Snakeboy 06-21-2017, 10:09 AM

#### Jesus in the LORD's prayer.

The 3 spellings of Jesus in Hebrew.
Yehsua 386
Yehoshua 391
Yehoshua with an extra Vav, 397

The first two are 777.

Unregistered 06-21-2017, 09:55 AM

#### Some Holograph Materieal

Let's talk about something interesting Richard. We have gone trough a lot of connections to the English Genesis 1:1 & number 137 here with a lot of

Desmild 06-20-2017, 06:44 PM

#### The Woman clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet

Whops! You just connected Venus crowned with some stars with the woman crowned with 12 stars being clothed with the sun & moon under her feet...

Desmild 06-20-2017, 05:53 PM

#### The Woman clothed with the Sun and the Moon under her feet

it's actually enki and enki

ki is a silent determinant ( not read aloud ), and an en is a priest

An enki would be a "

Snakeboy 06-20-2017, 03:09 PM
• # Where's Adam? The Mystery of the Missing Mythological Chapters of Genesis

My wife Rose and I were discussing her research concerning the Christian concept of marriage as between one man and one women. Most Christians try to support their opinion by citing Christ's reference to Adam and Eve becoming "one flesh" (Matt 19:5). Recalling the high frequency of divinely sanctioned polygamy in the Old Testament, which contradicts the Christian position, Rose wondered if there were any Old Testament verses that spoke of being "one flesh" as in Genesis 3. We found none. This sparked our curiosity, so we searched for any reference to Adam and Eve. We found no reference to Eve, and only two references to Adam; one in a genealogy (1 Chronicles 1:1) and a tangential mention in Job 31:33. This seemed very strange. How could it be that the entire Old Testament was missing references to Adam and Eve and the events in the Garden? So we looked to see if there was any mention of the Tree of Knowledge. We found none. So we looked for references to the flood of Noah, and found almost nothing. Noah is mentioned in only two passages of the Old Testament outside of Genesis and they are both very late (Isaiah 54:9, Ezekiel 14:14,20). So we looked for the tower of Babel and found nothing.

The picture then came into focus. The entire Old Testament is almost entirely bereft of any reference to the ten chapters of Genesis 2-11. These are the "mythological" chapters that tell of the garden of Eden, a woman made from a rib, a talking snake, magical trees, the flood of Noah, the rainbow covenant, and the tower of Babel. Their character is very different from the rest of Genesis, including its first chapter, and almost none of the authors of the Old Testament show any awareness of that material at all.

So then we wondered why, if the mythological chapters were missing from the Old Testament, they would be so prominent in the New. So we looked at the Apocrypha, the literature written between the closing of the Old Testament and the writing of the New. And we found many references to the content of the mythological chapters. Indeed, we found a whole retelling of the missing material in 4 Esdras:
4 Esdras 3:5 And gavest a body unto Adam without soul, which was the workmanship of thine hands, and didst breathe into him the breath of life, and he was made living before thee. 6 And thou leadest him into paradise, which thy right hand had planted, before ever the earth came forward. 7 And unto him thou gavest commandment to love thy way: which he transgressed, and immediately thou appointedst death in him and in his generations, of whom came nations, tribes, people, and kindreds, out of number. 8 And every people walked after their own will, and did wonderful things before thee, and despised thy commandments. 9 And again in process of time thou broughtest the flood upon those that dwelt in the world, and destroyedst them. 10 And it came to pass in every of them, that as death was to Adam, so was the flood to these. 11 Nevertheless one of them thou leftest, namely, Noah with his household, of whom came all righteous men.
And similar material in Wisdom of Sirach:
Sirach 44:16 Enoch pleased the Lord, and was translated, being an example of repentance to all generations. 17 Noah was found perfect and righteous; in the time of wrath he was taken in exchange [for the world;] therefore was he left as a remnant unto the earth, when the flood came. 18 An everlasting covenant was made with him, that all flesh should perish no more by the flood
So now the conclusion seemed obvious. The material from the mythological chapters of Genesis is missing in the Old Testament because it was not widely read, if it existed at all, at the time those books were written. It is found in abundance in the Apocrypha because it had become popular by that time. Therefore, it seems likely that the material was probably inserted into Genesis after the rest of the Old Testament had already been written and before the composition of the Apocrypha.

This is an amazing discovery. I have studied the Bible for over two decades and never noticed the missing mythological chapters of Genesis. I have no idea how I could have overlooked something so obvious. I would be very interested to know what others think about this.

Impact on the Study of the New Testament:
This impacts the study of the New Testament because unlike the Old Testament, it relies strongly on the mythological chapters of Genesis. Paul based his gospel on Christ's rectification of Adam's sin:
Likewise, Paul specifically spoke of Eve and the Serpent - something that is mentioned nowhere in the Old Testament other than Genesis 3:
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
And the Gospels record Christ speaking of the flood of Noah which is mentioned tangentially but twice in the Old Testament:
Matthew 24:37 "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 "For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 "and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
And the author of Hebrews mentions it:
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
And in Peter's letters:
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
Peter's reference to the "angels that sinned" brings us to yet another mystery - the source of the demonology that is taken for granted throughout the New Testament as if it were common knowledge. Jude also made reference to the obscure mythology of Genesis 6 which was understood as fallen angels having sex with women to produce "giants" -
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
Jude was, of course, drawing from the apocryphal book of Enoch which contains an elaborate demonological explanation of Genesis 6. Things like this have always bothered me because the Bible gives no indication where this "knowledge" came from and it is clearly drawn from extra-biblical sources. The Old Testament says almost nothing about any "Satan" and "fallen angels" but it is frequent in the New ... and in the Apocrypha which is a primary source of the teachings of the New Testament.

Impact on the question of the Biblical Canon:
This then impacts the question of the canon. Protestants struggle mightily to find a foundation for their doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" (Scripture alone) because the doctrine cannot be established "from the Bible alone." It is therefore self-contradictory. The Bible does not list which books it should contain, so they must rely upon tradition rather than Scripture. They try evade this problem by asserting that the books of the Old Testament must pass certain tests. Even when I was a Christian this made little sense to me because I could see they were only making post-hoc arguments designed to imply their assumed conclusion. And besides, their "tests" could never establish the exact canon they accepted, since some books, like Esther, are not referenced in the NT at all.

My project now is to review the Apocrypha to see how strongly the NT depends upon it. I would very much appreciate any references to research already done in this area. I would be particularly interested in any research that discusses the fact that the missing references to the mythological chapters of Genesis.
1. gilgal -
In Josiah's time it was mentioned that the book of the Law was found:
(KJV) 2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD [given] by Moses.

I also wonder why no quotes were made in the OT as Jesus did in Matthew and Luke 4.
1. Richard Amiel McGough -
Originally Posted by gilgal
In Josiah's time it was mentioned that the book of the Law was found:
(KJV) 2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD [given] by Moses.
It always struck me as very strange - indeed, impossible - that the book of the law could have been lost. It was supposed to be the very constitution of the Israeli theocracy. It simply makes no sense that it could have disappeared for a generation or two. Where were the priests and scribes?

The "book of law" is not mentioned anywhere from Joshua 24:26 to 2 Kings 22:11 when it was "found" again during the reign of Josiah. This spans nearly the entire history of the kingdom of Israel from before the first king Saul unto the time of the Babylonian exile. The Jews have a tradition that Ezra "compiled" the Torah. It may be that he had a hand in composing it. It may have been composed after the Babylonian exile.

Originally Posted by gilgal
I also wonder why no quotes were made in the OT as Jesus did in Matthew and Luke 4.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. I presume you are talking about these parallel passages:

Matt 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' "
Luke 4:4 But Jesus answered him, saying, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.' "

There are many "quotes" where one book in the OT refers to another OT book. It's just that very few come from the mythological chapters of Genesis.
1. gilgal -
Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
It always struck me as very strange - indeed, impossible - that the book of the law could have been lost. It was supposed to be the very constitution of the Israeli theocracy. It simply makes no sense that it could have disappeared for a generation or two. Where were the priests and scribes?

The "book of law" is not mentioned anywhere from Joshua 24:26 to 2 Kings 22:11 when it was "found" again during the reign of Josiah. This spans nearly the entire history of the kingdom of Israel from before the first king Saul unto the time of the Babylonian exile. The Jews have a tradition that Ezra "compiled" the Torah. It may be that he had a hand in composing it. It may have been composed after the Babylonian exile.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. I presume you are talking about these parallel passages:

Matt 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' "
Luke 4:4 But Jesus answered him, saying, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.' "

There are many "quotes" where one book in the OT refers to another OT book. It's just that very few come from the mythological chapters of Genesis.
Yes. Why is it that NT writers quote the OT but not many OT writers quote the Law.
I think it's bebause it wasn't in circulation or even incomplete. Who wrote the first five books? It is aaid to be Moses but also Ezra did the finishing.
1. Richard Amiel McGough -
Originally Posted by gilgal
Yes. Why is it that NT writers quote the OT but not many OT writers quote the Law.
I think it's bebause it wasn't in circulation or even incomplete. Who wrote the first five books? It is aaid to be Moses but also Ezra did the finishing.
That's the big question. The Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch has been rejected by everyone except the most fundamentalist. There are many problems such as anachronisms and the recording of his own death.

I know I've read that Ezra compiled or edited the Torah. I need to look into that more.
1. gilgal -
But when you look at NT times there are synagogues everywhere and a portion of the OT is read regularly.
No synagogue was mentioned in the OT.
So there were doubtly any reading done in OT times.
1. duxrow -
I like the numbers though -- the first eleven, followed by 39 to represent ALL the OT books. Then, the 11 +39 for the Jubilee Fifty!
And Gil's comment about the synagogues -- I've always reckoned that was begun after the carrying away to Babylon. Nez pa?
1. luke1978 -
The Torah is trustworthy:

http://www.differentspirit.org/evidence/torah.php

Extract:

The first word in Genesis 1:1 is BERESHEET, meaning “In the beginning.” The last letter of the Hebrew word is a tav:

Hebrew is read from right to left. Tav is the first letter of the word TORAH. Count seven times seven letters, or 49 characters, and the 50th letter in the Hebrew text is vav – the second letter in the word TORAH. Keep going in this way, every 50th letter, and TORAH is spelled out. Also starting with the first occurrence of the letter tav in the book of Exodus, the word TORAH is spelled out in the same way.

Do the exercise in the fourth and fifth books of the Bible – Numbers and Deuteronomy – and we find the same phenomenon, except that the word TORAH is spelled backwards; pointing inwards, so to speak.

What about Leviticus, the middle book of these first five books of the Bible?

In that book, dominated by the seven opening chapters detailing blood sacrifices for sin, we find the ancient name for God spelled out. Starting with the first letter yud, skipping seven letters and counting the eighth, we find the word YHWH, translated into English, by the way, as Yahweh or Jehovah.

It is impossible that this could have happened by chance. The only conclusion is that the Spirit of God directed the men who wrote the text.

End Extract:

Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 is a spiritual creation and 2:4 onwards is the physical(Explained as a story). It even hints at using DNA from a rib and general anathesia. Of course it had to be written in such a way only to hint at this as people in the past did not know about DNA or general anathesia.

I am convinced the whole Torah has a spiritual interpretation which I will also have to continue to un-seal.

Some unknown facts about Joseph in genesis why I'm at it:

666+110(Joseph's age of death and also Joshua) = 776(77 is the signature of Christ) and pathway to God. Joseph was also the God of Abraham if you read carefully:

Extract:

Genesis 40 vs 8:

8 “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.”

Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”

End Extract:

--There are a few other examples in Genesis that point to this--

Extract 2:

John 8:58

New International Version (NIV)

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

End Extract 2:

Why I'm at it this may be the secret to Daniels 2300 days:

2300/77 = 29.87 = Moon at Apogee(Furthest from earth) - I think it coincides exactly with the lunar cycle:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html

Notice the 14th(7+7) one this year happens at 21:21(777:777) on the 25th of December which is 77 from the 3rd of April 2007. Christ was crucified on 3rd of April 33AD. No I'm not predicting doomsday but interesting how it coincides with the Mayan calendar.

What is a moon Apogee:

Angular Size

Angular size or diameter is often measured in terms of arc-minutes, where an arc-min is 1/60 of a degree. At apogee, the moon's angular diameter is about 29.87 arc-min, while at perigee it's about 33.89 arc-min. On average, the angular diameter is roughly 31.1 arc-min or 0.5182 degrees. If the moon happens to reach perigee at the same time as the new moon occurs, this coincidence is sometimes called a "supermoon."

Read more: What Is the Relationship Between the Angular Size of the Moon & Its Distance From Earth? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8583010_rel...#ixzz1zXDAdxyM
1. luke1978 -
Watch this for 10 minutes or so from 2 hours and 20 minutes. Seems our bible has a heap of missing information?