Is God Trustworthy? The Root of Religious Delusion

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool. ~ Mark Twain

Someone who is trustworthy in a small matter is also trustworthy in large ones, and someone who is dishonest in a small matter is also dishonest in large ones. ~ Luke 16:10

Christianity is founded upon the idea that God is trustworthy. That is its central claim. If God is not trustworthy then Christianity is false. But there is no proof that God even exists, let alone that he is trustworthy. So the first question is, what do Christians mean when they say that God is trustworthy? Here is a typical example from Christian artist and author Richard Gunther:

Have you ever had this experience? Someone tells you they will be coming to see you on such-an-such a time, so you stay home and wait, but they don’t come. On top of that they don’t even ring to tell you they are not coming, and when you see them they don’t apologise.

Reluctantly, I have to say that this has happened to me so often I almost expect people not to come! And this frustrating event goes for many Christians too . . . sad but true.

I have learned that people are unreliable. They cannot always be trusted. Christians are sometimes even worse than non-Christians when it comes to reliability, and of course this should not be!

But there is something else I have learned – God is always reliable. Every promise He makes is trustworthy. He is never early or late. His timetable is faultless, and we can always expect to happen what God says will happen.

When Christians say that God is trustworthy, they are clearly talking about the ordinary kind of “trustworthiness” that we expect when we go to the doctor or dentist or put our money in a bank. The Bible is filled with exhortations to trust God in this manner. Here are a few of the more famous examples:

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths. ~ Proverbs 3:5

Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. ~ Psalm 37:5

It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.  ~ Psalm 118:8

Thus said the LORD: Cursed is he who trusts in man, Who makes mere flesh his strength, And turns his thoughts from the LORD. ~ Jeremiah 17:5

This  is the central teaching of the Bible – God is supposed to be more trustworthy than any human. Preachers have been preaching and believers have been parroting this blatant absurdity for two thousand years. The claim is utterly delusional. If the Christian God were only half as trustworthy as the average dentist there would be no question about his existence! It would be trivial to prove that God exists if he were actually trustworthy in any meaningful sense of the word. Christians speak gibberish when they say that God is trustworthy. The word is utterly meaningless when applied to God.

Christians are brainwashed to believe and to declare that God is trustworthy no matter how untrustworthy he actually proves to be. It’s madness, pure and simple. Nothing could be more obvious. Imagine going to a dentist who is as trustworthy as God. What are the chances your tooth would be fixed? Imagine flying on a plane which is as reliable as God. What are the chances you would survive? Imagine giving your money to a bank as trustworthy as God. Would you ever see it again? How then can Christian claim that God is more trustworthy than any person or thing?

This is why we know Christianity is false. It drives believers to assert absurdities that are literally delusional. The more God is proven to be untrustworthy, the more the believer will declare not only that he is trustworthy, but that he alone is trustworthy. They utterly empty the word of any meaning whatsoever. And when this fact is pointed out to them, they cannot see it. It doesn’t matter how clearly the truth is explained, they will not see that they are speaking gibberish.

There can be no conclusion but that central doctrine of Christianity is a strong delusion. The only way Christians can maintain the idea that God is trustworthy by denying the very meaning of the word. Consider this advice from a believer’s blog post called Is God Really Trustworthy? Do you Really Trust God?:

Lost your job? You child is rebelling? Received a bad report from the doctor? It’s only a matter of time…until God will come through. Right? Right!

Let’s test our “trust quotient.” How do you know if you’re trusting God? Here are four possible ways:

Real Trust Means:

  1. No timetable
  2. No fixes
  3. No worry
  4. No control (of mine)

Now let’s think about this for a minute. Let’s apply this definition of trust to a doctor.

  1. No timetable: Your child has a burst appendix. You rush to your doctor’s office. The secretary tells you the doctor knows all about the problem and that you should take a seat and wait. You wait for a few hours as your child slowly dies in agony. You tell all your friends that your doctor was the most trustworthy doctor you have ever visited. The death of your child only proved how trustworthy he really is.
  2. No fixes: You child is dead. You praise the doctor as the most trustworthy doctor that ever lived.
  3. No worry: You sat in perfect peace watching your child writhe in agony, knowing the doctor was perfectly trustworthy.
  4. No control (of mine): The doctor does nothing, you have no control, your child dies. You praise your doctor and recommend him to all your friends and family.

I used the death of a child because that is what this delusion leads to in real life. Parents who trust God to heal their children end up with dead children and manslaughter convictions. It’s happened many times. This is what happens when anyone actually believes the delusional Christian dogma that God is trustworthy.

How is it possible that anyone could believe something so obviously delusional and contrary to reality? There are two primary explanations. First, the religion is based on the idea that blind faith is a virtue. That’s why John has his Jesus say “blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” And since faith is the only way to please God, the virtue of believing grows in direct proportion to how strongly it contradicts reality. I talk about this problem at length in my article The Art of Rationalization: A Case Study of Christian Apologist Rich Deem.

The Ultimate Delusion: Though he slay me, yet I will trust in him.

When Christians are challenged by the fact that no one can actually trust God for anything in any given situation, they typically respond with the non-sequitur that “God has answered many prayers.” Even if that were true (it is not, it is an illusion created by confirmation bias), it would not mean that they could actually trust God to answer any specific prayer. Prayer would still be a total crap shoot, and the thing about crap shoots is that they cannot be trusted to give a desired outcome.

When pressed, the believer will say that it is absurd to expect God to answer all our petty prayers. His ways are higher than our ways, and he knows best. They imply that God actively allows all the evil in the world that destroys the lives of his people because it is actually “for the best” in the long run, and we simply can’t see it from our limited perspective. I’ve watched William Lane Craig put forth this argument. The problem with it is, of course, that it presents God is an inscrutable and implacable force, functionally equivalent to Fate that cares nothing for us in the here and now. Sure, we’ll understand it all in the sweet by-and-by, but here on earth our fate is indistinguishable from that of anyone or anything else. We are on our own and cannot rely on God for anything.

Finally, when cornered by reality, they will pull out the proof text that reveals the ultimate root of their delusion – though he slay me, yet will I trust in him. (Job 13:15). What could that mean? For what are you “trusting” from the person who slays you? This verse, as understood and applied by Christians, is the ultimate admission that God cannot be trusted for anything in this life. At best believers can hope, they can pray, they can plead. But they know they cannot trust because God is not trustworthy. And as it turns out, neither is their Christian translation of the Hebrew Old Testament!

The proof text is a completely misleading error of translation. There is no hint of any “trusting God” in spite of his inscrutable but just decision to slay a believer. On the contrary,  in the 13th chapter Job speaks of God as a terrifying judge before whom he will present his “legal case” even though it is likely that the judge will have him killed. He says he will “have his say, come what may” and that he knows he is risking his life when he dares to present his case to God. Here is how the Jewish Publication Society translates it:

13:11 His threat will terrify you, And His fear will seize you.

13:12 Your briefs are empty platitudes; Your responses are unsubstantial.

13:13 Keep quiet; I will have my say, Come what may upon me.

13:14 How long! I will take my flesh in my teeth; I will take my life in my hands.

13:15 He may well slay me; I may have no hope; Yet I will argue my case before Him.

13:16 In this too is my salvation: That no impious man can come into His presence.

13:17 Listen closely to my words; Give ear to my discourse.

13:18 See now, I have prepared a case; I know that I will win it.

If only Christians had such a devotion to truth! The irony is sharp. The ultimate proof text of “faith in God” is itself a blatant fraud, a deliberate false translation tailored to satisfy the demands of the customers (Bible believers – so committed to truth?). The only reason translators follow the ancient error is because there would be a lot of complaints if they corrected it. Believers are devoted to their delusions.

 

There are those who scoff at the schoolboy, calling him frivolous and shallow: Yet it was the schoolboy who said “Faith is believing something you know ain’t so.” ~ Mark Twain

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185 Comments

  1. MichaelFree
    Posted November 15, 2014 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    This is a beautiful article.

    Mark Twain can be trusted.

    A friend of mine is mentally-ill. He and his family are Catholic. His mother wants him to be cured of his illness so that he stays out of the mental hospital. She says that she has prayed for him to be healed of it. She says that unless he takes his meds he ends up back at the mental hospital for awhile.

    I told her that the truth has revealed the path. The real truth. The real healing. Have faith in the truth.

  2. MichaelFree
    Posted November 15, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    The root of religious delusion is actually attributing trust to a deity whose attributes (what has been attributed to it) include the demeaning of women, the demeaning of everyone who isn’t of a certain religion, the demeaning of atheists, the demeaning of certain ethnicities and nationalities, and the demeaning of homosexuals. Not only demeaning but in fact murder on Earth and eternal torture just for being born.

    Why would anyone trust such a thing in the first place? Because you thought your prayers were going to get answered or that through dehumanizing you would have eternal life?

    I still know my initial interpretation of the Gospels. I realize that my confirmation bias with regard to my culture about Jesus being righteous influenced my lonely reading of the Gospels.

    As to the meaning of the riddles in the Gospels, who knows? As to the nature of Jesus, if he really existed, who knows?

    The Jesus that comes and burns all but the Christian is evil. The great delusion is that he is not. The Jesus that comes and proclaims Peace on Earth and oneness of existing humanity is good. The great delusion is that he is not.

  3. MichaelFree
    Posted November 15, 2014 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Imagine that God is a real deity that answers some prayers but not all prayers. This is the situation of the “believer” today. They pray and if it comes true many times they say thanks to God. But if they pray and it does not come true what do they say to God? I know a lot of “believers” get angry at God.

    Now what if God doesn’t answer any prayers but rather encourages the “believer” to find the path of truth and to trust in it. Now you can thank God but you cannot be angry at him, but you can be angry at human beings not trusting in the truth, who many times piss on it when it suits their greedy self-interest.

  4. Mystykal
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:
    It seems as if you think that IF GOD does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then GOD has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want! The Spirit must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us! Faith when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit will make it known what is the will and mind of GOD in each situation. There is no way to alter the mind of GOD. But faith will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire. “Nevertheless not my will but Thine be done!” Jesus

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

  5. Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    It seems as if you think that IF GOD does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then GOD has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want! The Spirit must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us! Faith when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit will make it known what is the will and mind of GOD in each situation. There is no way to alter the mind of GOD. But faith will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire. “Nevertheless not my will but Thine be done!” Jesus

    Good morning Mystykal,

    I never said that God never answers any prayers. It is not impossible that there could be a god that simply says “NO” most of the time as you suggest. But it’s also possible, and much more likely, that there is no god and your belief in prayer is a delusion based on confirmation bias. Is there any way for you to discern between random chance and answered prayer? Nope. They are logically identical. You would get exactly the results if you prayer to a milk jug, as explained in this video. But all that is irrelevant to the point of my article anyway. Even if there were a god who answers prayer as you suggest, no one could TRUST that god to actually do anything in any given situation. Prayer would remain a total crapshoot, and the thing about crapshoots is that they cannot be trusted to give a desired outcome. My point stands.

    The point of my article is that there is no god that can be TRUSTED in any way at all, so the central teaching of Christianity is demonstrably false and delusional. If there were a god half as trustworthy as the average dentist, there would be no debate about his existence. People who trust god for the health of their children end up with dead children and manslaughter convictions. That was the point of my article, and nothing you wrote refutes that fact.

    You can avoid this fact by imagining that God exists and “answers ALL TRUE prayers” if you like, but that merely magnifies the delusional nature of your beliefs. You have no objective definition of a “true prayer.” It appears to be combination of the “No True Scotsman” and “Texas Sharpshooter” fallacies. You explain away all failed prayers as either “not genuine” or “answered in the negative.” So rather than justifying your beliefs, you have simply demonstrated that they are indeed delusional.

    Great chatting!

    Richard

  6. Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Mark Twain can be trusted.

    Ironic, ain’t it?

    A friend of mine is mentally-ill. He and his family are Catholic. His mother wants him to be cured of his illness so that he stays out of the mental hospital. She says that she has prayed for him to be healed of it. She says that unless he takes his meds he ends up back at the mental hospital for awhile.

    I told her that the truth has revealed the path. The real truth. The real healing. Have faith in the truth.

    Excellent point. Christians often like to say that God “answers prayers” through modern medicine. The problem, of course, is that modern medicine has nothing to do with any god, and it doesn’t explain why god consistently let his people die miserable deaths even as they begged him for healing until humans finally figured out how to heal themselves. In other words, their response is delusional just like their faith in god.

  7. Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    The root of religious delusion is actually attributing trust to a deity whose attributes (what has been attributed to it) include the demeaning of women, the demeaning of everyone who isn’t of a certain religion, the demeaning of atheists, the demeaning of certain ethnicities and nationalities, and the demeaning of homosexuals. Not only demeaning but in fact murder on Earth and eternal torture just for being born.

    Good Morning Michael,

    Excellent insights. It certainly is delusional to trust a god that demeans the very people he supposedly created! Religion looks like a grand projection of human self-hatred onto god. Look at the big picture. God hates himself so much he must crucify himself? And torment all who dare not worship him? That’s just plain sick …

  8. Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    I still know my initial interpretation of the Gospels. I realize that my confirmation bias with regard to my culture about Jesus being righteous influenced my lonely reading of the Gospels.

    I see nothing wrong with having a “bias” in favor of Jesus or the Bible or Huckleberry Finn in as much as they are seen as works of art. The problem enters when they become the basis of delusional beliefs and social programs like the denial of equal rights and justification for wars, etc.

  9. Posted November 16, 2014 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want!

    Mystykal,

    Could you please explain what evidence would establish which of these four possibilities is true?

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    Thanks!

  10. Terry Blanchard
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    There is something missing from your analysis here. Readers of your forum with long memories will recall the two anecdotes you posted describing the two key events which led to your loss of faith. In the first, you were walking up a hill carrying your son, when you hurt your ankle. In pain, you prayed for immediate relief, but the pain did not cease in that moment as you requested. The second incident concerned your son and a stomach complaint, which again, was not instantly healed when you prayed for this to happen.

    Out of interest, how is the ankle now? And your son? Hopefully both turned out fine. If so, then one might be tempted to suggest that your prayers were answered, but just not in the time-frame that you requested.

    I once prayed for a one kilogram bar of gold to be delivered to my front door within 30 minutes. It never arrived. What theological conclusion should I draw?

    Here’s what I think, and I offer these thoughts with nothing but respect. You have deep, unresolved feelings of anger against your father for dying suddenly, out of the blue, on you, as you so movingly describe somewhere on your site that I have read. Christianity was a means of overcoming this loss, in one sense, by forging a relationship with a Heavenly Father, one who would not abandon you in the same way when you needed him. But then, that’s just what did happen: when God failed to heal your ankle, and your son’s stomach, you took it bad, and all that unresolved anger came flooding back. Your heavenly father had not been there when you wanted and needed him, just as your earthly father had left you so suddenly. And after all the work you had done for “God”, you felt badly let down by him. This is why you are reacting so vehemently now. It’s payback time. God wouldn’t do such a simple thing for you as block out a little pain, after all you had done for him; well, you will show him. And you are. Slash, burn, slash, burn, you are cutting quite the swathe.

    But for all the changes to your position, one thing hasn’t changed, and that’s the way you talk to people. Sure, there’s a veneer of friendliness at first, but as soon as your interlocutor has dared to suggest a position at odds with where you are today, and held their line, it is only a matter of time before they are an imbecilic moron, or whatever unruly title you are bestowing that day.

    Where’s the love? Where’s the humility? Where’s the basic respect? Your own wife has been called a c*nt on the previous thread. That really should give you pause, not a belly laugh. There is a real lack of dignity creeping in here, and it starts with the bloghost, your good self. The one thing that hasn’t changed is you, Richard.

    Maybe that’s why God didn’t answer your prayers that day. He had to send you round the long way.

    Please don’t take offence at what I’ve written, or be harsh or sharp with me. No dialogue. If this is useful, then that is good. If it is not, then ignore it. Either way, the mystery of life remains.

  11. Terry Blanchard
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    While I’m here, I take the opportunity to correct the mis-statement with which you conclude your post.

    If only Christians had such a devotion to truth! The irony is sharp. The ultimate proof text of “faith in God” is itself a blatant fraud, a deliberate false translation tailored to satisfy the demands of the customers (Bible believers – so committed to truth?). The only reason translators follow the ancient error is because there would be a lot of complaints if they corrected it. Believers are devoted to their delusions.

    The notion that only the Jewish translation of Job 13:15 renders the verse “I may have no hope” rather than “yet will I trust in him” and that no Christian translations do so (“because there would be a lot of complaints”) is simply untrue. Here we go:

    Job 13:15 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

    15 Behold, he will slay me; I have no hope;
    yet I will defend my ways to his face.

    Job 13:15 American Standard Version (ASV)

    15 Behold, he will slay me; I have no hope: Nevertheless I will maintain my ways before him.

    Job 13:15 Common English Bible (CEB)

    15 He will slay me; I’m without hope;[a]
    I will surely prove my way to his face.

    Job 13:15 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

    15 See, he will kill me; I have no hope;[a]
    but I will defend my ways to his face.

    Job 13:15 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

    15 Behold, he will slay me; I have no hope;
    yet I will defend my ways to his face.

    So the RSV in various versions, and the Common English Bible all render it the same way as the Jewish version. There is no “blatant fraud” here, or “deliberate misrepresentation”. Just the usual variance that comes with translation.

  12. Posted November 16, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    If only Christians had such a devotion to truth! The irony is sharp. The ultimate proof text of “faith in God” is itself a blatant fraud, a deliberate false translation tailored to satisfy the demands of the customers (Bible believers – so committed to truth?). The only reason translators follow the ancient error is because there would be a lot of complaints if they corrected it. Believers are devoted to their delusions.

    The notion that only the Jewish translation of Job 13:15 renders the verse “I may have no hope” rather than “yet will I trust in him” and that no Christian translations do so (“because there would be a lot of complaints”) is simply untrue.

    I really appreciate your comments and criticism. Your previous comment gave me so much to think about I will be using it as the basis of a standalone article. But this criticism is without merit. I never said that only Jewish translations were accurate. My comment about “fraud” was specifically limited to the specific translations that continue to print the error. I did not say or imply that all Christian translators do that. You seem to be overreaching in your search for errors in my post.

  13. Terry Blanchard
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for your gracious reply, and glad you found my comments of value.

    In regards to the Job 13:15 translation: excuse me, but you said: “If only Christians had such a devotion to truth!”

    This is unambiguous: you are implying that no Christian translator has had sufficient devotion to truth to have the verse translated in the way the Jewish version did. But this is plainly not so, as I have shown above. The KJV version has been changed in later versions, such as the RSV. So there has been demonstrably no barrier, whether of devotion to truth, or anything else, and certainly no complaints from the faithful, to prevent the verse being translated in the same was in the Jewish version. In this instance, therefore, the over-reaching is, if I may say, entirely on your side. But let us not dispute this further. Let the point stand as made. The reader who passes this way can make up their own mind.

    I will look forward to your article inspired by my comments with great interest. Thank you.

  14. Posted November 16, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    In regards to the Job 13:15 translation: excuse me, but you said: “If only Christians had such a devotion to truth!”

    This is unambiguous: you are implying that no Christian translator has had sufficient devotion to truth to have the verse translated in the way the Jewish version did.

    Terry,

    I am absolutely delighted to be criticized by someone with your clarity of thought, eloquence, and intelligence. It is odd that you would expect me to let your point stand without dispute since you stated it so forcefully and concluded that the error was “entirely on my side” without any ambiguity. It may seem to be a fine point not worth disputing, but it is important to me that my intent be understood, and your comment contains an ironic little key that opens a large door of understanding.

    When I said “If only Christians had such devotion to truth” I was referring to Job’s words which I had just quoted and highlighted red, which revealed his total devotion to truth, namely:

    He may well slay me; I may have no hope; Yet I will argue my case before Him.

    Job was willing to stand up to God himself because his conscience was clean and his mind clear. That’s some serious devotion. This contrasts with the general dysfunction of faith-based religions that teach delusion as the way to God. That was the point of my whole article and that is what I meant when I said “If only Christians had such devotion to truth!”

    And now for the ironic little key – you said that my intent was “unambiguous” when in fact it never occurred to me that anyone would misunderstand my words the way you did. This is why your criticism is so valuable. The only way I can find out if my words are ambiguous and misleading is if folks like you take the time to tell me how you understood them. I am very thankful to you for that.

    Now let me return the favor, and help you think a little more clearly. The meaning of a word is always constrained by the context in which it is used. In the case under dispute, I was speaking specifically of Christians who demonstrate their lack of a “devotion to truth” by teaching and holding ideas that are demonstrably false. I was not thinking about Christian vs Jewish publishers since I knew that both had translated the verse accurately. I chose the Jewish translation merely because it seemed the most clear. It never occurred to me that any reader would misunderstand my intent and think that I was contrasting Jewish vs. Christian translations in general. Suppose your interpretation were true. What would it imply about me? It would imply that I am either ignorant of common translations like the RSV or that I willfully lie about such things in public. Or that I’m a sloppy, careless writer. So here is my advice: If you find that your interpretation of my words implies that I am ignorant, insane or inarticulate, it might help if you double check the presuppositions you used when coming to that judgment. Capisce?

    Now that my intent is somewhat clarified, I am happy to let this point drop. But I’m also happy to continue discussing it if you feel it has not been sufficiently resolved.

  15. MichaelFree
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    I think this language issue you are having has been resolved. Richard wrote something, then Terry criticized it for being an overgeneralization, so Richard clarified. So goes the way of the path of truth.

    Its when generalizations are misunderstood and then not corrected that the problem of misunderstanding arises. I’m sure what Richard stated in regard to the Job verse holds exactly true for many Christians, so it is a legitimate criticism. The word that is exchanged in the supposed mistranslation changes the whole meaning of the verse.

    I can even pick apart these quotes if I tossed out the Spirit and intent of them and only adhered to the letter:

    Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool. ~ Mark Twain

    Of course this statement is untrue as Mark Twain is being sarcastic, and brilliantly so I might add.

    Someone who is trustworthy in a small matter is also trustworthy in large ones, and someone who is dishonest in a small matter is also dishonest in large ones. ~ Luke 16:10

    This verse is not always true so Jesus overgeneralized and didn’t clarify his language, but the Spirit and intent can’t be denied: BE TRUSTWORTHY IN ALL MATTERS.

  16. MichaelFree
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Clarifying myself here:

    Previously I said:

    “This verse is not always true so Jesus overgeneralized and didn’t clarify his language, but the Spirit and intent can’t be denied: BE TRUSTWORTHY IN ALL MATTERS”.

    Actually Jesus’ statement is a true statement and it will always be a true statement unless the person who is either trustworthy or dishonest doesn’t live long enough to experience both small and large matters in life and therefore can’t prove their trustworthiness or dishonestly by their completed deeds. Having faith in a persons trustworthiness is not the same as being able to base that trustworthiness in the truth, using evidence.

  17. MichaelFree
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Actually my first statement stands:

    “This verse is not always true so Jesus overgeneralized and didn’t clarify his language, but the Spirit and intent can’t be denied: BE TRUSTWORTHY IN ALL MATTERS”.

    Sorry about the word salad.

    “Trustworthy” denotes faith in a persons future behavior but “dishonest” denotes factual provability as to the nature of completed behavior. Surely someone can be dishonest in little matters and trustworthy in large matters and someone can be dishonest in large matters and trustworthy in small matters. But the Spirit and intent can’t be denied: “BE TRUSTWORTHY IN ALL MATTERS, EVEN THE SMALL MATTERS, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS THE SAME”.

  18. Posted November 16, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Actually Jesus’ statement is a true statement and it will always be a true statement unless the person who is either trustworthy or dishonest doesn’t live long enough to experience both small and large matters in life and therefore can’t prove their trustworthiness or dishonestly by their completed deeds. Having faith in a persons trustworthiness is not the same as being able to base that trustworthiness in the truth, using evidence.

    I think you are overworking this statement. It is just a generalization. The basic idea is that the character revealed in “small matters” is a good indicator of how the person would act in large matters. It would be absurd to insist on it as an absolute statement of fact. It is easy to image a normal person who was quite trustworthy in small matters becoming corrupt by the power or adulation involved in “large matters” in which case the saying would be falsified.

    I see little value in wrangling over words this way. If we can’t understand the statement as it stands, how could we add clarity with many words that involve even greater subtleties? Confusion would compound upon confusion.

  19. MichaelFree
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    I can’t agree with you more Richard.

    I shouldn’t of included the quote from Jesus in my initial comment. An edit button instead of a follow up clarifying comment is much cleaner but I have to work with the tools I’ve been given.

    This issue of trusting God in your article is very important. I don’t know the context of the verses in Job that you quoted, as I don’t want to read the OT, but it seems to me that Job had some issue with what was attributed to God in some scripture or oral tradition, that he knew something truthful (his case) that contradicted what was written or what was taught, so he challenged it (God). Something like that.

    If this is indeed the case then the Job quotes might mirror your personal understanding and evolution in truth and righteousness and how it now conflicts with scripture (not the numerology stuff but rather the moral stuff, your falling away from unrighteousness attributed to God, that preceded your realization with regard to the numbers), hence “Richards moral case”.

    Your rebuke of Numbers 31 and others is commendable. “Wrestling with God”. That you’re willing to wrestle instead of bow is badass and you know it. The human spirit is alive and well. Life itself is the only provable miracle that everyone alive has experienced

  20. Terry Blanchard
    Posted November 17, 2014 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    You really are full of shit.

    The only reason translators follow the ancient error is because there would be a lot of complaints if they corrected it.

    This quotation clearly states that “translators” (note plural, not just the KJV) have not corrected the “error” (if that’s what it is), because of the complaints that would be received.

    But translators DID “correct it”, for example in the RSV. So your statement is just plain wrong.

    If you were aware of the other translations, then you have deliberately misrepresented the situation. You’ve been caught out making shit up. That’s far worse than just making a simple error.

    So now: flip out. Get all bent out of shape. Call me names. And then go fuck yourself.

  21. Posted November 17, 2014 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    You really are full of shit.

    The only reason translators follow the ancient error is because there would be a lot of complaints if they corrected it.

    This quotation clearly states that “translators” (note plural, not just the KJV) have not corrected the “error” (if that’s what it is), because of the complaints that would be received.

    But translators DID “correct it”, for example in the RSV. So your statement is just plain wrong.

    I never said nor implied that no translators fixed that error. When I referred to “translators” who “follow the ancient error” I obviously could NOT have been talking about those who did NOT follow that error. Nothing could be more plain and obvious. Your assertion is absurd. It is logically impossible for any rational person to interpret my words they way you suggest.

    By your logic, your assertion that “translators DID correct it” would necessarily include those who did not correct it! Your assertion is logically incoherent. You are attempting to force my words to mean something I never intended, and indeed, could not intend. Any why? Apparently so you can have a great and glorious “gotchya” moment as if the fact that I am a fallible human would refute any of my arguments which you have been skillfully dodging. How pathetic.

    But that’s only the beginning of the pathos revealed in your comment.

    So now: flip out. Get all bent out of shape. Call me names. And then go fuck yourself.

    Well now … thank you for showing everyone your true colors. You are an excellent example of how dogmatic religion tends to corrupt the minds and morals of believers. We were having a purely intellectual discussion. You had misunderstood my words in a way I did not anticipate so I thanked you and explained what I meant. I gave you an extended explanation and you totally ignored everything I wrote. You clearly have an agenda that does not involve rational discourse. Apparently, all you care about is proving to the world that I was “making up shit.” And what was that “shit” I supposedly made up? You say that I deliberately lied about the existence of a common class of Christian translations, as if no Christian translator ever fixed the error in Job 13:15. Your game is petty and perverse. No sane person would do such an idiotic thing. And worse, your “evidence” is based on nothing but your ludicrous attempt to twist my words to force fit them into your incoherent and self-contradictory interpretation. And worse yet, nothing in your comment had anything to do with the primary point of my article! Nice work.

    Now let’s review our little interaction. It should be very enlightening. In your first comment, you said that all the name calling was my fault. Here is how you put it:

    But for all the changes to your position, one thing hasn’t changed, and that’s the way you talk to people. Sure, there’s a veneer of friendliness at first, but as soon as your interlocutor has dared to suggest a position at odds with where you are today, and held their line, it is only a matter of time before they are an imbecilic moron, or whatever unruly title you are bestowing that day.

    Where’s the love? Where’s the humility? Where’s the basic respect? Your own wife has been called a c*nt on the previous thread. That really should give you pause, not a belly laugh. There is a real lack of dignity creeping in here, and it starts with the bloghost, your good self. The one thing that hasn’t changed is you, Richard.

    Where’s the love, respect and dignity? Oh … I don’t know … I can’t find it under the pile of steaming SHIT that you just dumped on it! And why? Apparently because I “dared to suggest a position at odds with where you are today, and held my line” so it was only a matter of time (very short time at that) before you began spewing your mindless Christian vomit all over my blog. And so you demonstrate the kind of duplicity that is common to minds infected with religious delusions. You came here all meek and mild, accusing me of having no dignity or respect, and within two posts you degraded yourself to the point of spewing expletives and telling me to go fuck myself? Wow. I really can’t thank you enough. You make my work so much easier.

  22. Posted November 17, 2014 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    So now: flip out. Get all bent out of shape. Call me names. And then go fuck yourself.

    Terry, you have served a much greater purpose than you can imagine. Thank you!

    I have answered you in a new post:

    On the Couch with Psychoanalyst Terry Blanchard

  23. Posted November 18, 2014 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:
    I thought I would let the dust settle a little – :)

    Man! I really enjoy talking to you! Your mind is sharp! Twisted… but sharp! lol
    You previously posted:
    R. A. McGough
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink
    It seems as if you think that IF GOD does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then GOD has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want! The Spirit must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us! Faith when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit will make it known what is the will and mind of GOD in each situation. There is no way to alter the mind of GOD. But faith will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire. “Nevertheless not my will but Thine be done!” Jesus

    Good morning Mystykal,

    I never said that God never answers any prayers. It is not impossible that there could be a god that simply says “NO” most of the time as you suggest. But it’s also possible, and much more likely, that there is no god and your belief in prayer is a delusion based on confirmation bias. Is there any way for you to discern between random chance and answered prayer? Nope. They are logically identical. You would get exactly the results if you prayer to a milk jug, as explained in this video. But all that is irrelevant to the point of my article anyway. Even if there were a god who answers prayer as you suggest, no one could TRUST that god to actually do anything in any given situation. Prayer would remain a total crapshoot, and the thing about crapshoots is that they cannot be trusted to give a desired outcome. My point stands.

    The point of my article is that there is no god that can be TRUSTED in any way at all, so the central teaching of Christianity is demonstrably false and delusional. If there were a god half as trustworthy as the average dentist, there would be no debate about his existence. People who trust god for the health of their children end up with dead children and manslaughter convictions. That was the point of my article, and nothing you wrote refutes that fact.

    You can avoid this fact by imagining that God exists and “answers ALL TRUE prayers” if you like, but that merely magnifies the delusional nature of your beliefs. You have no objective definition of a “true prayer.” It appears to be combination of the “No True Scotsman” and “Texas Sharpshooter” fallacies. You explain away all failed prayers as either “not genuine” or “answered in the negative.” So rather than justifying your beliefs, you have simply demonstrated that they are indeed delusional.

    Great chatting!

    Richard

    ————————–
    R. A. McGough
    Posted November 16, 2014 at 9:14 am | Permalink
    GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want!

    Mystykal,

    Could you please explain what evidence would establish which of these four possibilities is true?

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    Thanks!

    The answer to all your questions are answered in the Elijah Mnt. Carmel story!….go re-read it! In a nutshell Elijah challenged the fake religions to put up or shut up! And when the answer came it came from the prayer of Faith! Cased closed! :)

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

  24. Posted November 18, 2014 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:
    I thought I would let the dust settle a little – :)

    Man! I really enjoy talking to you! Your mind is sharp! Twisted… but sharp! lol

    Good morning Mystykal,

    It’s odd that you would say my mind is twisted, since it seems to me that I am the one who asks straight questions and you are the one who cannot give a straight answer.

    But on the other hand, I do have a kind of “twist” in my mind that penetrates and opens things. It’s the power of torque.

    And there is another thing to consider – I’m a bit gnarly like an old tree. There’s strength in that too.

    It seems to me my lines are straight, but they look twisted to you because your mind is like a funhouse mirror.

    Mystykal,

    Could you please explain what evidence would establish which of these four possibilities is true?

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    Thanks!

    The answer to all your questions are answered in the Elijah Mnt. Carmel story!….go re-read it! In a nutshell Elijah challenged the fake religions to put up or shut up! And when the answer came it came from the prayer of Faith! Cased closed! :)

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

    Oh … I get it. Your faith in faith if pure fantasy, like that story in the Bible.

    Thanks! That really does clear things up!

    But seriously … are you really suggesting that Bible believers are supposed to be able to call down literal fire from heaven at will? Seriously?

    If that’s what you believe, then apparently no Christian has ever had real faith, and that would mean that no person has ever been saved and so your whole religion collapses to dust and ashes.

    And you didn’t even answer my question! You totally ignored the fact that believers who say that God is trustworthy are totally deluded. Here is what you had asserted:

    GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want!

    So I asked if you could you please explain what evidence would establish which of these four possibilities is true?

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    And what did I get in response? Crazy talk. You said true believers could call down fire from heaven. Wow.

  25. Posted November 18, 2014 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:
    It seems as if you think that IF GOD does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then GOD has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want! The Spirit must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us! Faith when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit will make it known what is the will and mind of GOD in each situation. There is no way to alter the mind of GOD. But faith will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire. “Nevertheless not my will but Thine be done!” Jesus

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

    Mystykal,

    This is why it’s so difficult to talk to you. My article said that the normal Christian belief that God is trustworthy is delusional. You answered by asserting that God answers ALL TRUE prayers. Obviously, you were talking about the same idea. So I asked how you could tell the difference between these four possibilities:

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    And how did you answer? You suggested that Christians have SUPER POWERS like the ability to call down fire from heaven, and that’s how they know God is trustworthy. Your answer was totally delusional. It is doubtful that any Christian has ever had the powers you describe, and it is certain that 99.9999% do not.

  26. MichaelFree
    Posted November 18, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    Of course no one can prove that prayer does anything. Of course no one can prove that God the deity exists.

    Mystykal said : “It seems as if you think that IF GOD does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then GOD has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. GOD answers ALL TRUE prayers! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place. But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want! The Spirit must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us! Faith when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit will make it known what is the will and mind of GOD in each situation. There is no way to alter the mind of GOD. But faith will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire. “Nevertheless not my will but Thine be done!” Jesus

    If Mystykal replaced the word God with the word Truth then his contention is provable and practicable:

    “It seems as if you think that IF TRUTH (not a sentient being but rather a force) does not answer a prayer in the affirmative then TRUTH has NOT answered the prayer! That is a false negative. TRUTH answers ALL TRUE prayers (Truth comes to those who seek Truth)! So IF your prayer is genuine then the answer will come at the right time and place (if you were really searching for Truth). But the ANSWER is NOT always what we want (that’s the nature of Truth)! The Spirit of Truth must be trusted to know what to do and by trusting I mean place our faith in the outcome which is in front of us (I couldn’t agree more)! Truth when activated will move the desired event to the front of the line and then Spirit of Truth will make it known what is the will and mind of Truth (not a sentient being but rather a force) in each situation. There is no way to alter the Truth (I’d have it no other way). But Truth will create the proper outcome regardless of our personal desire (when Truth becomes more important than material power or greed). “Nevertheless not my will but The Truth be done!” Jesus (The Righteous One)”.

    So if we seek Truth sometimes the Truth is hard to swallow. Nevertheless the Truth be done.

    This is why the Gospels trip me out. Jesus, in my interpretation, made a claim to him being The Truth. The Truth that a prayer to deity does nothing but a thought to truth and the path of truth moves metaphorical mountains. Seek truth.

    The truth is not fearful nor does it take vengeance. It is compassionate and loving and inclusive. It is Peace. It doesn’t throw out whole swaths of humanity because a book said it is so. It isn’t offended very much when a group of kids calls it “baldy”, so it smiles at the little pricks and tells them to go home. If a bear comes and attacks the kids “baldy” comes-a-runnin to protect the kids as best as he can.

    And speaking of Elijah or Elisha, or whatever; if his proof of answered prayer is fire from heaven then the False Prophet of revelations has this locked.

    The book is ludicrous and two-faced.

    Bad is good and good is bad, and poof, just like that, you are threatened if you say otherwise. Put supernatural fear into the mix and you have the ingredients for a pretty effective curse. And as with all lies “who benefits”, not Mark Twain’s schoolboy, whose Father (ONLY ONE, HIS EARTHLY FATHER) taught him everything he needs to know: THAT FAITH IN WITCHCRAFT AND SHITTING ON THE TRUTH IS A CURSE, BUT THAT FAITH IN TRUTH AND SHITTING ON WITCHCRAFT IS FREEDOM.

  27. MichaelFree
    Posted November 19, 2014 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    This is my final comment on this site.

    Ever since my first comment here months ago my views have changed somewhat. I thought I was defending Jesus but now I don’t know who he is. I just don’t know. My initial interpretation still holds but there is more than one interpretation of the Gospels.

    The book hurts me and makes me feel bad. And I do think its witchcraft, the whole thing.

    Goodbye!

  28. Posted November 19, 2014 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Ever since my first comment here months ago my views have changed somewhat. I thought I was defending Jesus but now I don’t know who he is. I just don’t know. My initial interpretation still holds but there is more than one interpretation of the Gospels.

    Hey there Michael,

    I’m glad to hear your views have changed. That’s a good thing. It shows you are thinking and growing.

    I’ve always wondered how you could believe the things you did because they were so obviously idiosyncratic. You had created your own version of Jesus from the Gospels while rejecting the rest of the Bible. That kind of inconsistency made no sense to me at all. If you can’t trust most of the book, why believe you could trust some fragments of it?

    Your “Jesus” was really just a product of your own imagination pieced together from shards of the Christian tradition.

    The book hurts me and makes me feel bad. And I do think its witchcraft, the whole thing.

    That’s exactly what it is. It is a magic spell spoken with words to entrap the minds of the sheep. A powerful spell it is. The nice thing about such spells is that they can be broken in a moment. With a single pin prick of insight, the whole bubble will pop. That’s what happened to Rose and me. It’s good to see another waking up from that ancient nightmare.

    All the best,

    Richard

  29. Posted November 24, 2014 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:
    YOU SAID:
    This is why it’s so difficult to talk to you. My article said that the normal Christian belief that God is trustworthy is delusional. You answered by asserting that God answers ALL TRUE prayers. Obviously, you were talking about the same idea. So I asked how you could tell the difference between these four possibilities:

    1) The prayer was genuine and God answered “no.”

    2) The prayer was not genuine, so God didn’t answer at all.

    3) The prayer was not answered because God does not exist.

    4) The prayer was answered by random coincidence.

    And how did you answer? You suggested that Christians have SUPER POWERS like the ability to call down fire from heaven, and that’s how they know God is trustworthy. Your answer was totally delusional. It is doubtful that any Christian has ever had the powers you describe, and it is certain that 99.9999% do not.
    —————————————

    I agree with you! That is ALL those Christians out there have little to NO Faith! So of course they cannot “call down fire from heaven”, But that does not negate the FACT that TRUE Prayer IS that powerful. I guess you really do not understand that there are a few good Christians out there that do have “powers” and that their prayers do get answered in a way which cannot be ignored. ,,, They are the .0001%

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

  30. Posted November 24, 2014 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard:

    I propose that you are like “doubting Thomas”. He did not believe anything until he had touched it in real time and felt it for himself…. I can appreciate that. But for you to disregard large portions if not all of Scripture which speaks of miracles and the “raising of the dead” as an example – is to deny the possibility of the REALITY of such things being real. You will forever say such things are impossible until they happen to you in front of you and you have the experience for yourself. ok, But that is NOT real faith! I suggest that real faith DOES exactly what the Bible says it does! You have milk (jug) I choose to have Faith! :)

    Namaste,

    Mystykal

  31. Posted December 3, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    A couple things about your premises: You go wrong when you say, “they are clearly talking about the ordinary kind of “trustworthiness””

    So-called “christians” may say something along these lines, but the esoteric schools that produced the bible clearly did not conceive of a divine being that has anything in common with “ordinary” expectations of human personality. God is not a personality…and no, God should not be reliable in the same sense that a dentist is. That sounds like the bias of someone who has grown up in a consumerist society of instant coffee and fast food. God is a universal principle of consciousness, if God didn’t challenge manifest beings and instead gave them everything they wanted, God would be some kind of cosmic robot. Consciousness never unfolds in the way we expect. The being that expects things to conform to a routine schedule is just an automatic bundle of chemical reactions.

    I would also say the “trustworthiness” of God is not the central teaching of the bible, as you claim. The entire bible is teaching that the way of God is to exert influence without any show of power. It is essentially the same as the Taoist concept of “Wei wu Wei” doing without doing. The message throughout the bible is that we cannot accomplish much by accumulating power and flexing our own strength. The love of power is nothing compared with the power of love. When you realize that God’s way is to find accomplishment through the relinquishment of the love of power, you realize that God’s way works and is trustworthy, although in a sense completely alien to our ordinary, routine self, which we are so much better off moving beyond. The gospel mythology is simply about a being who gives up all power and influences humanity more than any other king, scholar, warrior, or scientist. That alone gives the narrative its brilliance.

  32. Mark Scholten
    Posted December 5, 2014 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr. McGough,

    Thanks for being honest, Thanks for your gematria database. It has been very helpfull for me in the past year to better understand the bible.
    So as you helped me, I will try to help you.
    You ask “Is God trustworthy ?”, but your example of a dying child shows signs of a deeper question.
    “Why is there so much pain in this world ?”
    “Why do people die of Ebola ?”
    “Why was that plane shot down this year over Ukrain ?”
    “Why are women unequal to man in this world ?”
    Thats a totally other question, which needs to be adressed first. And to be honest I don’t have an answer to that.
    I can only say “There’s alway’s pain before a child is born, but still I’m waiting for the dawn” (Bono-U2)
    I don’t know why there’s so much pain in this world. But I do know that one day Jesus came down from heaven, saw the people suffering, and he cried. He suffered himself on the cross and died. And he said: If your’r crying, do bring your tears to me, put them into my cup and I will drink it. I will take them with me into the fire of hell. And he said: And when morning comes I will recreate this world into a new world without pain, without sorrow, without unequallity”

    How do I know that ? It took me a year to understand . It started with a man, burned black, an Ethiopian cross, a key in the shape of a fish, and so on. The story is a little bit to long for this forum, I mail it to you in a couple of weeks time, But let me tell you this:
    If Jakob/Israel has finished his sleep, then the new morning will arise. Then you and I will see that God’s word is trustworthy.
    In the mean time I advise you to listen to some good old music:
    Like the 1979 Bob – Dylan song: When you gonna wake up ?
    I like the opening line:God don’t make no promises that He don’t keep.
    And i hope that if my writings don’t make much sense to you His Sprit through the music might slip through.

  33. Posted December 7, 2014 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    You ask “Is God trustworthy ?”, but your example of a dying child shows signs of a deeper question.
    “Why is there so much pain in this world ?”
    “Why do people die of Ebola ?”

    Hey there Mark,

    I appreciate your comments, but those questions miss the point. The correct questions would be of the form “Why would a person who is able to help do nothing but stand and watch a girl be raped, tortured, and killed?” This is the problem of theism in general, and Christianity in particular. It teaches that there is a personal God who has interacted with humanity many times in the past (e.g. the Flood, the Exodus, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus healing thousands, etc.). This raises the question why a person like God would stand there in the presence of a rapist and his victim, silently watching the rape occur like some perverted porn addict, doing nothing to help. But the problem is deeper yet, since God also is directly enabling the rapist by causing his heart to beat! So it is God that is enabling the rapist to live and to do his wicked deed. Meanwhile, God is supposed to be helping Aunt May find her lost poodle. It strikes me as a totally irrational and immoral view of reality.

    I don’t know why there’s so much pain in this world. But I do know that one day Jesus came down from heaven, saw the people suffering, and he cried. He suffered himself on the cross and died. And he said: If your’r crying, do bring your tears to me, put them into my cup and I will drink it. I will take them with me into the fire of hell. And he said: And when morning comes I will recreate this world into a new world without pain, without sorrow, without unequallity”

    Religion is one of the primary causes of hatred, inequality, pain, and suffering. It teaches people to hate themselves as unworthy sinners. I find it quite ironic that you would think it would have anything to do with the cure.

    The idea of a magically created world with no pain and suffering seems like a very shallow and meaningless fantasy. If God is ultimately going to remove it all, why did he create it in the first place? What is it’s purpose? And is it really conceivable to have a world of composite physical beings without pain and death?

    It makes a lot more sense to see that life entails pain and suffering because all composite things are subject to decomposition. It’s the way of nature – or what? Will there be no plant death in heaven? The Christian views of these topics seem quite naive to me.

    Finally, if it is true that “God don’t make no promises He don’t keep” then we must conclude that he has made no promises relating to our life in this world, since there is not one thing that anyone can trust him to actually do. I think it much more reasonable to believe that he does not exist.

    All the best,

    Richard

  34. Mark Scholten
    Posted December 8, 2014 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    Is the good God the creator of evil ?

    There obviously is pain/evil in this world. In general most people choose out of two options to make it rhyme with a good god.
    1. good and evil is equal and are both present in one god. Then god is considered the cause of all evil.
    2. good and evil are two antipoles and are present in two gods. god and the devil, constantly fighting with each other.

    So which one of the above is right ? Obviously you reject all of the above and start argumenting like this:

    If god can prevent evil, but he doesn’t ? Then he himself is evil.
    If god can prevent evil, and he does want to prevent evil ? Why is there any evil in this world, so this cannot be true.
    If god can not prevent evil but he does want to prevent evil ? Then he is obviously not allmighty.
    If god can not prevent evil and he he does not want to prevent evil ? So why do we call him god and worship him ?

    Obviously you cannot make it rhyme and so you declare God dead. That´s interesting, but doesn´t explain where good and evil come from. And it also offers no hope at all for the future.

    Surprisingly, I found out that some famous Christians teach none of the above. They explain it like this:
    God is good and evil exists. God does not want nor like evil. But if evil occurs God creates out of the evil something good. An example of that you can read in genesis 45. In the story about Joseph and his brothers. My conclusion is that God does not fit into a Karnaugh diagram. God is not a subject of evil. God is the ruler of everything. He is also the ruler of evil. If evil occurs, God is not afraid of it. God is a creator. God creates out of it something good.
    God can prevent evil. (Note this does not start with an if ). If evil occurs then God can create out of it something good
    That’s a surprisingly strange answer. To give you another example:
    Jesus told, that he, himself, is like a potatoe. When you put a potatoe in the ground in spring then the potatoe dies. Wauw that´s bad. You loose a potatoe. No food, nothing left to eat. But wait, it´s not as bad as it looks, out of it comes a new plant, And after half a year new potatoes are formed into the ground. And now you have ten potatoes instead of one. And then you can harvest and enjoy your meal.
    God did not promise us a safe journey. He only promised a safe arrival.
    Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, then it’s not the end.

    When I read your answer, At first I didn´t know what to say, so I prayed to God and he made me remember a lady, who lived during the second world war. Her name is Corrie Ten Boom. You can find her story on youtube, titled:
    “Corrie Ten Boom Her testimony in her own words Full Length ”
    It’s bad english, but you can listen to it. She has a lot to say, and can do it much better then I. She talks about her life during the war , saving jewish baby’s from the dead. Her friends, shot dead by the Germans. Her father died in prison. Her sister starved in a concentration kamp, she herself fearing and suffereing in a concentration-camp. But through all the evil things that she experienced she could forgive the men who betrayed her, she could forgive her camp-guards. She could praise God
    So if God does not exist, where did she find the strength to survive all of this ?

  35. Posted December 9, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    So if God does not exist, where did she find the strength to survive all of this ?

    The same place all humans have found their strength and love for others. In their humanity!

  36. Posted December 9, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    So which one of the above is right ? Obviously you reject all of the above and start argumenting like this:

    If god can prevent evil, but he doesn’t ? Then he himself is evil.
    If god can prevent evil, and he does want to prevent evil ? Why is there any evil in this world, so this cannot be true.
    If god can not prevent evil but he does want to prevent evil ? Then he is obviously not allmighty.
    If god can not prevent evil and he he does not want to prevent evil ? So why do we call him god and worship him?

    Obviously you cannot make it rhyme and so you declare God dead. That´s interesting, but doesn´t explain where good and evil come from. And it also offers no hope at all for the future.

    No, that’s not my argument. You need to read my article again. My argument is that the Bible plainly teaches that there is a God who has frequently intervened in human affairs, and who should be TRUSTED to take care of us in all things. But that is not true. The God of the Bible is absolutely untrustworthy, as you seem to admit when you say “God did not promise us a safe journey. He only promised a safe arrival.” That’s the same as saying “though he slay me, yet I will trust in him” which means that you agree that no one can actually TRUST GOD for anything in this life. That was the point of my article, and you have confirmed the truth of it.

    All Christians know that God cannot be trusted and yet they assert the he is absolutely trustworthy. This is the deep, deep delusion of Christianity.

  37. Albert Nygren
    Posted June 1, 2015 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    Reading some of these comments saying that God is untrustworthy amazes me. All of them are made by people who have no relationship with God and no actual experience of knowing God, and yet they presume to either say there is no God or to criticize God. I am 72 y/o and the last 20 years of my work life I worked as a Registered Nurse on psychiatric units in hospitals, so I know all of the in’s and out’s of what is a delusion and what isn’t.

    One of the things that cause people to not believe that there is a God is that we in the West have grown up with a Materialist World View. We are taught in school and almost all of the media that there is only matter and energy in the Universe, that we are the physical body, that there is no after life, and that the Creation of the Universe and all life happened by accident, that God had nothing to do with that. There is a psychological principle called Cognitive Dissonance. This is the observable case that it is impossible for the human mind to believe two things that are opposite of each other. If we have the world view that there is only matter and that the Universe and Life came into being by accident then it is impossible to believe in God.

    Another way that the principle of Cognitive Dissonance makes it impossible to believe in God and the Scientific belief that everything happened by accident is this. It feels to us that either we are in the body and look out at the world outside us through our eyes or that we are the body and see with our eyes. That is scientifically not the case. Electromagnetic radiation come into our eyes and impact on the retina which is the endplate of the optic nerve. The retina is only sensitive to a small portion of electromagnetic radiation. The brain/mind analyses this data and creates a picture and has the ability to cause it to seem as if we are looking out at the world when really we are seeing a picture created by our mind. One of the problems is the the picture the mind projects is influenced greatly by our world view. You may have read about the experiment that a man did many years ago. The light that hits our optic nerve is upside down and reversed just as is the film in a camera. The mind reverses that image so that we see things with the top up and not reversed.

    This man wore a type of eye glasses that reversed everything and he wore them all the time. Eventually, his mind corrected the image. Then He took the glasses off (they weren’t eye glasses but that is the best way I know how to describe them) and again he saw things upside down and reversed from right to left. Eventually his mind corrected that image also. The reason I mention that experiment is that when I was in my 20’s I lived in an ashram for 2 years full time. The leader had us live, think, and see the truth of at least 4 different world views. Eventually my mind stopped projecting what I saw according to any world view and I saw things as they are! If you were to do that, when your mind stopped interpreting what you saw by the world view you were taught and see things as they really are. One thing you would see is that God is everywhere. All things are in Him and He is in all things.

    Regarding trustworthy; Every human being I have ever known has let me down in one way or another. God has never let me down! I didn’t say that since the year 2000 I have been physically disable to the extent that I can’t lift more than a pound and I am in constant severe pain that gets worse as time goes on. Despite this I know without a doubt that this has happened for my best well being. When my pain or disability become too much for me to endure and I ardently ask God for help, He always causes something to happen that helps me.

    I know this has been a very long comment but so many people said things in their comments that I know from personal experience are not the case and I tried to answer a number of them. I hope that someone who has taken the time to read this has gotten some help from it. God bless all of you who comment on this blog.

  38. Posted June 1, 2015 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Regarding trustworthy; Every human being I have ever known has let me down in one way or another. God has never let me down! I didn’t say that since the year 2000 I have been physically disable to the extent that I can’t lift more than a pound and I am in constant severe pain that gets worse as time goes on. Despite this I know without a doubt that this has happened for my best well being. When my pain or disability become too much for me to endure and I ardently ask God for help, He always causes something to happen that helps me.

    Hey there Albert,

    What do you mean when you say that you “know without a doubt that this has happened for my best well being”? That’s exactly what every cult member says. Muslims say anything that happens is the “will of Allah” and Christians say it is the “will of Yahweh.” What’s the difference? You could believe in anything and come to the same conclusion. You could pray to a freaking milk jug and come to the same conclusion! Have you never given any thought to what you believe? Please watch this video and explain how your faith in Yahweh is any different than believing in a Milk Jug that answers prayers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI

    Thanks!

    Richard

  39. Leslie
    Posted July 14, 2015 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Interesting article. I just came across your site today and have only just read this one article so far.
    You say that Christianity is founded on the idea that God is trustworthy and you present a couple of illustrations based on OUR idea of trustworthiness which reminded me of a verse in Isaiah 55:8.
    ‘For my thoughts ARE NOT your thoughts, neither are your ways MY ways.’
    There is a bewildering spectrum of belief associated with Christianity and I’ve met people who seem to think blind faith is some sort of virtue but I haven’t encountered that idea in the bible. Indeed off the top of my head I can think of quite a few verses that would seem to suggest the opposite. For example Acts 17:11, where the Bereans were commended for searching the scriptures to check out what Paul was saying. Matt 23 would seem to me to be a warning against blindly following blind religious leaders who say one thing and do another. There are so many verses about searching, seeking, calling for discernment, asking for wisdom etc and of course Thess 2:11 where it would seem that God sends a strong delusion on those who do not love the Truth. I’ve been reading the bible for about 16 years and I’ve come to the conclusion that most of what passes for Christianity is the Babylon of revelation 17&18.
    I would say that going by what is written in the bible God is trustworthy according to his own definition. Going back to Isaiah 55:8 and further to verse 11 God is only concerned with accomplishing what he desires. When our prayers line up with his will then perhaps they will be answered. I’ve never really understood why so many Christian seem to think it’s all about them and their ideas of what God should be doing for them. We are all dead men walking on a prison planet. Economically, environmentally, politically we are in deep trouble. Apparently our situation is unsustainable and according to the biblical signs of the end we could quite possibly discover that when God does finally keep his promise to destroy the wicked we are among them.

  40. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Leslie, welcome to thread. Much of what you write is sound, but there are some errors. Richard, at this point in time, teaches that the God who reveals Himself in the Bible is unreliable. He boasts brazenly that he is more moral than His creator.

    He goes even further to teach that the LORD who reveals Himself in the Bible doesn’t exist at all! Clearly if anyone uses dangerous drugs, they make themselves vulnerable to satanic deception. I don’t sense in desire in Richard to repent. Life is short. He needs to reread what he wrote a decade ago and start saying yes what he wrote then, for it honored God!

  41. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 14, 2015 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I don’t sense that Richard has a desire to repent. He has written many inspiring true words a decade ago. He should reread what he wrote and start afresh to pray for the LORD to shepherd him to His sinless Son.

  42. Leslie
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    I think in my clumsy way I was just trying to suggest that the argument itself is unfair. In that it uses man’s idea of trustworthiness to judge God. I mean, we wouldn’t expect anyone else to do something they never said they were going to do but for some reason lots of people seem to expect God to do things he never promised to do. And then when he doesn’t do, what he never said he would do, they bear a grudge against Him. It seems to me that we base a lot of our lives on misconceptions.
    Joseph, I’d be glad if you had the time to point out the errors in my post. I don’t mind being wrong about things.

  43. Leslie
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Sorry I mean’t Josef. Auto correct.

  44. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Greetings Leslie, you write that we are all dead men! That is certainly not true because there is a God who saves.
    You also make sweeping generalisations which I find unhelpful. Are you edifying Christians by writing in this way?

  45. MichaelFree
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Josef,

    Give me a straight answer to this, if there is one ounce of truth in you (hint: a “straight answer” is either a “yes” or a “no”):

    Is it alright to lie to other people according to Christianity?

  46. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    In David comments on the Bible Wheel and Why I Quit Christianity http://www.biblewheel.com/…/david-comments-on-the-bible-wheel-and-why-i-quit-christianity/15 Oct 2013

    Richard wrote: I do choose life! And freedom, and truth! Greetings Richard, you sincerely believe that you are choosing life, freedom and truth, but in my opinion you are not, for nobody can reject the God who reveals Himself in the holy Bible and be choosing life, freedom and truth. What you are claiming is impossible because it is contrary to the witness of the sinless Son of God. He states in John 14:6 that He is the truth and the life. Only when we trust Him does God set us free! Richard, how can God set you free, if you continue to boast that you are more moral than He is? Do you think your attitude is consistent with what God blesses?

  47. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Michael, do you take the Bible seriously? Do you agree that God’s love can be a blessing to you? Until you believe that God rewards those who diligently seek him, you wll dispute what I write, because you are refusing to accept the LORD as your authority.

  48. MichaelFree
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    My authority is the truth.

  49. MichaelFree
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Josef,

    I could ask you two questions that would prove that you and your religion are delusional, but you will not answer, because you do not care about the truth, you only care about your beliefs.

    The first question is: is lying forbidden in Christianity?

    Anyone reading this will realize that I proposed a simple question to you, and they will realize that you, a self-professed follower of God, whom you call the truth, will not answer the most simple questions regarding truth. That’s got to feel like shit Josef.

    You’ll probably reply with another load of bullshit and that’s a shame.

    Take care

  50. Leslie
    Posted July 15, 2015 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Joseph,

    Dead men walking.

    Gen 2:17 “…….. For in the day you eat of it you will DIE.”

    1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam All DIE even so in Christ ALL shall be made ALIVE.

    John 3:18. He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not IS CONDEMNED already.

    Luke 9:60. Matt 8:24 Let the DEAD bury the DEAD……

    I’m sorry if you felt my posts were not very edifying for Christians and that I made sweeping generalisations. To me the word Christian IS a sweeping generalisation that encompasses a whole spectrum of beliefs and I fear that many professing Christians are in as much danger of judgement as those who say they don’t believe.

  51. Leslie
    Posted July 16, 2015 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Josef, sorry auto correct again. I’m writing on an iPad on my knee.

  52. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 16, 2015 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Leslie, just because man dies physically doesn’t mean he is walking around
    as a dead man. What you wrote is nonsense. Christians and non Christians are alive! Furthermore, Christians are spiritually alive!

  53. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 16, 2015 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Leslie, I agree with your comment about many professing Christians.
    I would go further than you and say a huge percentage of them have never been born again.
    Let’s pray for the unsaved for billions of people don’t love God.

  54. MichaelFree
    Posted July 16, 2015 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    :)

  55. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 16, 2015 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Question: “What did Jesus mean when He said ‘Let the dead bury the dead’ (Luke 9:60)?”

    Answer: Jesus said, “Let the dead bury the dead,” in response to a man who wanted to spend time at home before committing himself to the Lord. Jesus said, “‘Follow me.’ But the man replied, ‘Lord, first let me go and bury my father.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God’” (Luke 9:59–60).

    Readers of this blog, most people do not see Christ’s beauty, nor do they hear His voice or desire to follow Him. Only those who are born again will do fathfully trust and obey Him.

    The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the spiritually dead who should bury the physically dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are “dead in sin” (Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

    While we are to honor our parents (See Ephesians 6:2), obeying Lord Jesus is to come first.

  56. MichaelFree
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Leslie,

    With annotations:

    Matthew 8: 18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. 19 And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead (Number one: he does not say that he “cannot” bury his father. The disciple was still in a “dead” state also and Jesus said for the “dead” to bury their “dead.. Number two: he is talking about people that may have passed away, the father in this case, without ever having come to love the true and righteous path in life, and having come to repentance for past sins here on Earth, thus necessitating still having to account for their hypocrisy when they enter Heaven, unlike someone who is born again into the righteous path here on Earth).. 23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

  57. MichaelFree
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    Leslie,

    I said:

    (Number one: he does not say that he “cannot” bury his father. The disciple was still in a “dead” state also and Jesus said for the “dead” to bury their “dead.. Number two: he is talking about people that may have passed away, the father in this case, without ever having come to love the true and righteous path in life, and having come to repentance for past sins here on Earth, thus necessitating still having to account for their hypocrisy when they enter Heaven, unlike someone who is born again into the righteous path here on Earth)..

    This is what it should say:

    (Number one: he does not say that he “cannot” bury his father. Number two: he is talking about people that may have passed away, the father in this case, without ever having come to love the true and righteous path in life, and having come to repentance for past sins here on Earth, while he was still here on Earth, thus necessitating still having to account for their hypocrisy when they enter Heaven, so they enter Heaven “dead”, unlike someone who is born again into the righteous path here on Earth, into “life”).

  58. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    Michael, you write error after error because you paylittle attention to what is taught in the Bible.

  59. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Michael, you write that the disciple was in a “dead” state. Where do you get that information from? And how do you know that the father who died repented? Nothing about that is mentioned in the Bible. Why do you keep on “making up stories”?

  60. Leslie
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Josef,

    The expression ‘ Dead man walking,’ is a metaphor, a figure of speech to emphasise the gravity of a situation. It comes from the prison system and was announced when a condemned prisoner walked to their execution. Obviously it’s not literal, nor are many of the countless biblical references to the dead literal. The prodigal son for example was not literally dead but by his actions he had cut himself of from the life of God and his earthy father. Had the son carried on in his rebellion until his death he would have been eternally condemned. When he walked away from his father he was a dead man walking, figuratively speaking, till he repented.

  61. MichaelFree
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    My last two comments were not well thought out. I take them back. Strike them from the conversation.

    Take care.

  62. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Leslie, stop writing nonsense. Unsaved man will not listen to that way of talking.

  63. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Leslie, I’m not interested in using figures of speech whose origins are worldly. I agree that the matter is serious, so where is your attempt to pray for the unsaved? Where is your attempt to pray for Richard, Rose and Michael? Do you love the unsaved? Do you love those who are perishing? Are you a man of prayer, Leslie?

  64. MichaelFree
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    This is a proper translation, with annotations for each part. Enjoy:

    I’m being generous here:

    Matthew 8: 18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. 19 And a certain scribe (a prospective new disciple) came and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21 And another of his disciples (what must be a new disciple in some form, seeing as his family lived in the area where Jesus was departing from) said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father (he sounds like a good person, who loves his father). 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead (Jesus here does not forbid him to go and bury his father, but rather tells him that by continuing to follow Jesus further the disciple will find “life”: an overriding inclination to choose goodness in life. So “go and bury your father” but then come and catch up with us as we journey ahead.)

    Evil Christianity:

    Matthew 8: 18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. 19 And a certain scribe (a prospective new disciple) came and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21 And another of his disciples (what must be a new disciple in some form, seeing as his family lived in the area where Jesus was departing from) said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father (he sounds like a good person, who loves his father). 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead (Here Jesus tells him to forget about his father, because his father is going to hell, and to follow Jesus in order to go heaven, avoiding the fate of his father).

    The truth:

    Matthew 8: 18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side. 19 And a certain scribe (a prospective new disciple) came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21 And another of his disciples (what must be a new disciple in some form, seeing as his family lived in the area where Jesus was departing from) said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father (he sounds like a good person, who loves his father). 22But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. And this is what the disciple should of said at this point: he tells Jesus: “I love my father. He was a good person. He is now dead. All of us who are going to bury him are alive. I have no idea what this witchcraft business is that you are telling me about “the dead burying their dead” and I don’t like it one bit. I thought you were a good person Jesus, but because you said this thing, I will no longer follow you”.

    That was fun.

  65. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 17, 2015 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Michael, if you are looking for witchcraft in Jesus you will not find any. Because you are more interested in your own fun than obeying His words the LORD is allowing you to go even further astray. I used to think you were seriously looking for truth, but sadly this is nolonger the situation.
    Michael, put your wholehearted trust in Bible study and give yourself a chance to grow in wisdom!

  66. Leslie
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Josef,

    First of all, I am not a man. I am a retired Scottish woman. If you know anything about Scotland and the Reformation you could probably guess which school of thought I tend to come from.

    The basic issue in the bible as far as we humans are concerned is life and death. In a myriad of ways the same motif and the same choice is set before us.

    “To those who are perishing we are the dreadful smell of death and doom. But to those who are being saved we are a life giving perfume. 2Co 2:16 NLT

    “……..I have set before you LIFE and DEATH, blessings and cursing. Now choose LIFE so that you and your seed may live.” Deu 30:19

    Why should I be expected to give you evidence of who and what I pray for? Who are you?

  67. Leslie
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Michael,

    I’m sorry I didn’t notice that your post about the dead burying the dead was addressed to me.
    Luke:9:60 Matt 18:22.

    Jesus was a Jew and he was speaking to another Jew in a way that was characteristic of and peculiar to the language. In other words he was speaking idiomatically.

    The word ‘dead’ appears in the bible 367 times from Genesis 20:3 where God appears to Abimelech and tells him he is a dead man, to Rev 20:13 where the dead are judged.
    When Paul spoke of people being dead to sin, or dead to the law or of people being dead in their sins he was not referring to anyone being literally dead but as good as dead in the sense that whatever it was someone was dead to, it meant it had no power over them or they were indifferent to it.
    When God Told Abimelech that he was a dead man he meant he was in big trouble.

    So, in effect Jesus was saying let the spiritually dead deal with the literally dead put me first and everything else will follow. He wasn’t saying that he couldn’t bury his father in fact that would have gone against the commandment to honour your father and mother and he gave the Pharisees a roasting for nullifying the word of God with regard to honouring their by their traditions. He was, I think, just telling him to get his priorities in order. Lots of disciples left Jesus because his sayings were too hard.

    Jesus said a lot of things that seem harsh and unloving to our 21st century western world view.
    The bible is an ancient Middle eastern book and it can’t really be understood at all without the context.

  68. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Leslie, if you are a woman of prayer you will delight to pray for unsaved man! One of the traits of the Lord is that He prayed for the unsaved. Will you make an effort to do this?
    Leslie, I am a student of the Bible and in my opinion you needed reminding that Richard, Rose and Michael are unsaved. Do you love them? If yes, then you will pray that the LORD draws them to His beloved Son..

    Leslie, you write that lots of disciples left Jesus because His sayings were too hard.

    In my opinion what you are writing is false! Jesus’ sayings are not too hard. They left Jesus because they didn’t persevere. Their hearts were prideful so they said in their heart this saying is too hard. Because they lacked wisdom they didn’t ask for Jesus to explain, in greater detail, what He was teaching.

  69. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Leslie, Jesus is love. He didn’t teach harsh and unloving things. He taught the truth in love. The Bible is totally trustworthy! Let’s stop making excuses for our fellowman and encourage them to study it. God’s looking for people to trust and obey His word, not disfigure it.

  70. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Leslie, the NLT is a Bible that dishonors the Godhead and the Lord Jesus! I encourage you to do some research. Start with this link!

    http://jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NLT/nlt_exposed.htm

  71. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 18, 2015 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Leslie, if you read Bibles that dishonor God it will increase your chances of dishonoring God.

    2 Cor 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

    15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

    16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life

  72. Leslie
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Josef,

    With regard to whether or not I pray for individuals on this site, and your use of emotive language to make your point, I would suggest that such open displays of one’s piety, to be seen by others, is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Matt 6:1-6.

    I indicated that I had quoted from the NLT in that particular instance because I usually read and quote from the KJV. Do you think the KJV dishonours God?

    Getting involved in stupid and foolish arguments is also contrary to sound teaching 2 Tim 2:23 so I will take this opportunity to thank you for your time and wish you well.

  73. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    Leslie, are you unable to admit that is unwise to promote a Bible that tramples on the Godhead and deity of Christ?

    It’s my duty before the LORD to teach the truth. Do you think prayerlessness honors God? Do you think the prayerlessness exhibited on this website honors God?

    Shouldn’t more people be asking: Why is man so prayerless?

    Why are Richard, Rose and Michael so prayerless? One correct answer is because they don’t take the Bible seriously.

    It’s God Himself who decides to draw the unsaved into a life of prayer.
    It’s time to seek the LORD!

  74. Leslie
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    The KJV does not dishonour God but you do with your nonsense. Your off your head.

  75. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Leslie, I think you need to learn from the Teacher of teachers!
    Study the KJB for it honors God and be more watchful for the Bible you quoted from isn’t reliable!
    Stop being so defensive and be more diligent in your studies! May God bless you with a desire to warn people against ungodly Bibles like the one you quoted from!

  76. Leslie
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Joseph,

    The KJV IS The King James Bible!!! You don’t know what your talking about.

  77. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 19, 2015 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Very good, Leslie. We will all read your words, for mine are nonsense!
    Following Leslie? Who could resist such an opportunity?

  78. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 20, 2015 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Someone who desires to honor God consistently will at some point desire to be prayful.

    One of the traits of unsaved man is that he is prayerless, but prayerfulness isn’t a guarantee that a person is saved for man can pray to a false god and pray in a dishonoring manner.

    Make it the desire of your heart to come into a living relationship with the LORD who reveals Himself in the holy Bible as LORD.

    Reject Richard’s teachings about God, for they are false from start to finish.

    Buy a KJV Bible and begin to study it and don’t rip out the pages that you don’t , at first reading, agree with!

  79. MichaelFree
    Posted July 20, 2015 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Josef,

    (I meant to say this in this thread. If you respond to this comment please respond to it In this thread).

    You know full well that I don’t bow to: lying, thefts, physical assaults, rape, murder, torture, or enslavement. I’m a simple person and I judge simply.

    You say that my father Gary is being tortured by your God in hell. Please do not pray to your God about me. I have no business with your God. This is my right to ask you to not pray to your God about me personally.

    Take care.

  80. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 23, 2015 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Michael, you say that you have no business with author of the teachings in the holy Bible, but you say that misunderstanding the situation, for every human being has to do with the author of life.

    Michael, do you know that the author of life doesn’t just stand back and do nothing when He sees us go astray. If He did nothing not a single person would have any living faith in Him.

    When I went astray He didn’t say: Josef is a lost cause. He didn’t say, I’m not going to waste My time on that immoral, disrespectful, self-seeking man.

    No, He said: I am here to teach you, Josef. Start trusting and obeying me and I will show you wondrous things.

    One of the wonderful things the LORD showed me or blessed me with before He saved me was a desire to acknowledge Him verbally.

    This had been missing in my life, but about three years before I was saved I became very desirous to acknowledge Him. A very beautiful verse to study is Psalm 100:4. Michael, may you grow to cherish this Psalm.

  81. MichaelFree
    Posted July 23, 2015 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Josef,

    When I was maybe five to seven years old I almost drowned in a swimming pool. I had a near-death experience and was going to Heaven. I remember it like it was yesterday. I was smiling and happy and comforted.

    When I was around twenty years old I came home one day and looked at my curtain, which normally had only flowers on it with no writing, but what I saw was the name “Jesus” on my curtain, and it was glowing. I immediately thought that it was impossible, and thought to turn and look away and then to look back again to see if it was real, so I turned and looked away and looked back, and it was gone. I was “physically” shocked. I tried for several days to make the stems of the flowers on the curtain say “Jesus”, contorting them to form a word, and all I could make it says was “Jesus” in a contrived way. What I saw that day is a miracle and was written as clear as this type here.

    What seems like several years later I came home one day and went and laid down on my bed, but I wasn’t trying to sleep, I was just trying to rest with my eyes closed, I sat up in bed and looked around my room and then looked down at my bed and I saw my body. My soul had came out of my body and was looking at my body.

    Heaven.
    Jesus.
    Soul.

    These are not beliefs Josef, they are truth.

    I don’t lie Josef. Jesus revealed himself to me. Christianity cannot steal righteousness from the truth.

    I’ve seen much more Josef. Too many things.

    Your doctrines are lies, thefts, and murders.

    The day is coming Josef. Be prepared.

    Stop writing about me here. I don’t want to talk to you anymore. You’re a fool if you think I would ever bow to evil, which your made-up doctrines are.

    Take care.

  82. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 23, 2015 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Michael, you are of the opinion that I am fool, because I am desiring to base my life on the inspired Word of the LORD. My approach is the will of the LORD, for without studying His teachings it is much more problematical to know what His will is.

    Michael, your approach to give so much weight to your experiences is unbiblical, because the holy Bible teaches that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of the LORD.

    In another pivotal verse the holy Bible teaches that the just shall live by faith. Linking the name of Jesus to heaven and including yourself is unscriptual, because the Bible teaches that we must not just believe in any person called Jesus, but in the historical Jesus who taught that the heavenly Father and He are one.

    Do you believe this Michael? Do you believe what the holy Bible teaches about Him? Do you believe that His name is above all names and far more important than all the stories you tell?

  83. James Mckenzie
    Posted August 20, 2015 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Hello Richard,

    This thread may be a more suitable place to discuss theology. This thread is stretched pretty long though.

    In the other post about science you said, “Why is it necessary for me to understand fully and refute the equation? The equation deals with General Relativity not proof of the big bang. You have already said that science is not in the business of proving things.

    For the same reason you need to understand arithmetic before you can “refute” the fact that 1 + 2 = 3.

    Along these same lines, in order for you to debate theology, it is important to hear out your foundation. Your post above, which I read a while ago, is not a “proof” that God is untrustworthy. But proof that believing in God, praying to Him, and having faith is subjective and not provable. But if you cannot prove it, then you cannot disprove it either.

    But I digress.

    According to what you think the Bible teaches:
    1.What is the purpose, reason that God created us?
    2. What is the reason why God would have a heaven and hell?
    3. What is the reason why you think God is untrustworthy? Did you read a promise in the bible that God has not done or that God has failed on? Your post is mostly that trusting God is delusional. You compare trust in God as no time table, no control, no fix, and no worry. Then you said let us apply this to a dentist. When I go to a dentist, I have an expectation based on his credentials, promise, and my perception of his professionalism that he will do what he said, and he is capable of performing the services I need or request. If you can force your dentist or someone to do things or you can watch him or you spy on him, that is not trust. There can only be trust when there is uncertainty. If you see the beginning from the end, if you know your dad will catch you when you jump, then there is no trust. What you are basically saying that a christian’s expectation to trust in the God in of the Bible is not valid based on what we see around us. That is a question and statement. You are basically saying that faith (in God) is untrustworthy. There is a difference between saying God is untrustworthy and “faith in God” is untrustworthy. One says that you admit that there is a God but He is untrustworthy, the other just mentions that our faith in God is not reliable, stands to question, is subjective, and has no solid basis.
    4. Why do you think God would have us to believe in Him instead of just having knowledge of Him?

    This will help me see where you are coming from and confirm some things for me.

    James

  84. Josef Sefton
    Posted August 23, 2015 at 3:21 am | Permalink
  85. Posted October 21, 2015 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Along these same lines, in order for you to debate theology, it is important to hear out your foundation. Your post above, which I read a while ago, is not a “proof” that God is untrustworthy. But proof that believing in God, praying to Him, and having faith is subjective and not provable. But if you cannot prove it, then you cannot disprove it either.

    But I digress.

    Hey there James,

    I don’t think you digressed. But neither did you challenge anything I wrote. We know God is not trustworthy by the definition of the word “trustworthy.” Tell me one demonstrable thing that anyone can trust God to do for them in this life and you will have simultaneously proved me wrong and proved that God exists. This is because the concept of trustworthiness entails existence. Therefore, if God could be proven to be trustworthy, which you could do if he really were trustworthy, then you would also have proven he exists.

    It seems the only way to challenge my argument by asserting that a person or thing could be “trustworthy” even though that person or thing never does anything for anyone, but I think that would be trivial to refute by the very definition of trustworthiness. What would it mean to say there is a very “trustworthy” chair that could support ten thousand tons if that chair could never be found?

    No on to your numbered points:

    1.What is the purpose, reason that God created us?

    Traditional answer is “for his own pleasure” based on Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    2. What is the reason why God would have a heaven and hell?

    Traditional answer is because of sin not atoned for by Christ. But many Christians now reject the concept of hell.

    3. What is the reason why you think God is untrustworthy? Did you read a promise in the bible that God has not done or that God has failed on?

    Yes, absolutely. There is not one thing anyone can actually TRUST God to do for them in this life. Not. One. Thing. It’s almost as if he didn’t exist! God has failed on every promise in the Bible about caring for people, watching over them, helping them in time of need, etc. Belief in answered prayer is totally delusional. You would get exactly the same results praying to a milk jug.

    Your post is mostly that trusting God is delusional. You compare trust in God as no time table, no control, no fix, and no worry.

    That wasn’t my comparison. It was a typical example of the things Christian preach and believe about God. It’s what they mean when they say God is trustworthy.

    Then you said let us apply this to a dentist. When I go to a dentist, I have an expectation based on his credentials, promise, and my perception of his professionalism that he will do what he said, and he is capable of performing the services I need or request.

    Exactly correct. That’s why you TRUST them. They have proven themselves trustworthy by their actions.

    If you can force your dentist or someone to do things or you can watch him or you spy on him, that is not trust. There can only be trust when there is uncertainty.

    I can understand your words in one sense. If I find myself in a very uncertain situation and have no choice but to trust someone I have no reason to trust, I might choose to “trust” them because I have no other options. But other than that, your words make no sense to me because the concept of trust entails certainty, not uncertainty. I would never say I trust a dentist if I were uncertain about his or her ability to do the job. Greater trust implies less uncertainty. For example, the reason I TRUST the food I buy from the store is because I am very confident (not uncertain) that it is good food. If there were a lot of uncertainty about the quality of the food, I would NOT trust it or the grocer.

    No believe has any certainty (or trust) that God would ever do anything for anyone in this life. The lack of certainty implies a lack of trustworthiness.

    If you see the beginning from the end, if you know your dad will catch you when you jump, then there is no trust.

    If I were omniscient, then I would have perfect trust in my perfect knowledge. I would trust perfectly that my dad would catch me because I saw him do it with my omniscient eye.

    What you are basically saying that a christian’s expectation to trust in the God in of the Bible is not valid based on what we see around us. That is a question and statement.

    Absolutely correct. There is no reason for anyone to believe there is a God who cares for humanity. The reason is very simple. Is there anything anyone can trust God to do for them or their loved ones in this life? Nope. Nada. Zilch. There is not one thing that God can be TRUSTED to do, so by definition God is untrustworthy. QED

    You are basically saying that faith (in God) is untrustworthy. There is a difference between saying God is untrustworthy and “faith in God” is untrustworthy. One says that you admit that there is a God but He is untrustworthy, the other just mentions that our faith in God is not reliable, stands to question, is subjective, and has no solid basis.

    No, that is NOT what I am saying. It is a confusion of words. “Faith” is not the object of trust. The words are synonyms. Here’s the first definition that Google provides:

    Faith is complete confidence or trust in a person or thing; or a belief not based on proof. It may also refer to a particular system of religious belief.

    4. Why do you think God would have us to believe in Him instead of just having knowledge of Him?

    Excellent question! If God existed, he would want us to have knowledge rather than faith which is what ever cult demands. It is not God who demands faith. It is the cult leaders who use the religions to control people and gain wealth and power. It really should be pretty obvious since it is the one common denominator amongst all the religions. Islam, Catholicism, JWs, etc., etc., etc. Faith is how they control your mind.

    I’m really glad we’re having this conversation.

    All the best,

    Richard

  86. Fred Koehler
    Posted December 9, 2015 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    Aren’t you confusing the idea that because God doesn’t respond to us when we want and the way that we want he can’t be trustworthy?

  87. Posted December 9, 2015 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    No. I am simply saying that God does not fit the definition of trustworthy. Pretty simple stuff. Do you think Allah is trustworthy? Or the Tooth Fairy? Or Santa Claus? If not, why not?

    If you think God is trustworthy, then please explain one thing that anyone can actually trust God to do.

  88. Ronald H.
    Posted December 10, 2015 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    You make some good points on your website but this is not one of them. It’s a silly argument you make. What you are trying to say is, actually, God does not exist. Then, you want to “twist the knife” by taking it one step further and saying that this God, who does not exist, is untrustworthy. But this extra layer to your argument is unnecessary, and weakens the first part.

    The best way to demonstrate this is with your question about the tooth fairy. “Is the toothfairy trustworthy?”, you ask, if I may paraphrase your words without being accused of falsifying your quotation. You would assert, I assume, (correct me if I am wrong), that “the toothfairy is untrustworthy”.

    But really? Would you really assert that? If indeed you would go around asserting that the toothfairy is untrustworthy, what would any normal person say in response to this? They would say the statement is ridiculous. The toothfairy does not exist. Therefore the toothfairy could not be said to drive a black SUV for example. Because it doesn’t exist. You equally couldn’t claim that the toothfairy is a bad softball player. Because the tooth fairy doesn’t play softball. You couldn’t seriously assert that the toothfairy is unkind to small furry animals, because, well, you get the idea.

    So to assert that the toothfairy is untrustworthy would just be a silly thing to say. What you ought to say, if you want to talk seriously about the toothfairy, is that the toothfairy does not exist. It’s a fantasy. Sure, a nickel might appear under your pillow if you leave a tooth there, if you are a child, but it was your parents.

    So now let’s imagine an adult leaving a tooth under their pillow. Next morning, no nickel. Imagine now this adult heading off to work for the day, then around the water-cooler, sharing with their co-workers that the toothfairy is not trustworthy, in all seriousness.

    The co-workers would laugh their heads off and consider that this person needed to get a grip. There is no toothfairy. That’s why the tooth didn’t appear. It’s not because the toothfairy is untrustworthy. To assert such a thing is to get hopelessly tangled up in ontological misunderstanding.

    So, now, God. Just say God doesn’t exist. And leave it at that.

    But to go to the watercooler and tell everybody that this “God”, who doesn’t exist, is untrustworthy, is just like asserting that the toothfairy is untrustworthy. It’s an ontological error. You have attributed a property of beings that exist to a being that doesn’t exist. Of course you can’t get a being who doesn’t exist to answer your prayers, or send you stuff you think you want. That doesn’t make your imaginary, non-existent being unttrustworthy; it makes you a confused person who doesn’t understand that ebings that don’t exist cannot exhibit attributes of beings that have existence.

    If God exists, and fails to answer prayers THEN, by all means, go ahead and call him untrustworthy. Set up tests in which you can prove that God ignores you when you ask for a new car, or a better job, or a ticket to the big game. Then, for sure, complain that God claims to hear prayer but in fact ignores them.

    But don’t go around telling the world that the tooth fairy, or santa claus, or God are untrustworthy when you are certain that none of these beings exist. Just say they don’t exist. Going the extra step and adding the untrustworthy claim is just a cheap way of dishing out a casual insult to Christians. You ought to be able to make your point without stooping to such a misuse of rhetoric.

  89. Ronald H.
    Posted December 10, 2015 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    To take it one step further, allow me to point out that your suggested line for a rebuttal to your proposition is also logically incoherent.

    Again, in claiming that “God is not trustworthy”, you are making an argument of the form “A does not possess the property B”. However, you make a logical error in this assertion, because A is a being whom you claim does not exist, and B is a property that can only be attributed to beings that do exist.

    So in this case, to state that “A does not possess the property B” is true, but only trivially true, in the sense that A is not from the class of objects that are capable of exhibiting property B.

    To really drive this point home, one could just as easily substitute this quality B, which you have allocated to “trustworthiness”, to the quality of “untrustworthiness”: in this case, one would then propose the assertion that “God is not untrustworthy”. This statement is just as true, i.e. trivially true, as your original proposition. God is not untrustworthy because “untrustworthiness” is a quality possessed only by beings that exist. So if God does not exist, then one may just as equally say that “God is not untrustworthy”, as “God is not trustworthy”. Both are trivially true. Both are pointless propositions. Both are logically incoherent.

    Again, to use an analogy, it’s like saying “unicorns can’t dance the tango”. Ok, sure. That’s true. Trivially true: because unicorns don;t exist, and “dancing the tango” is a property that can only be attributed to beings that do exist.

    So if you asserted that unicorns can’t tango, and then invited people to show this statement was not true by demonstrating that there are unicorns who can dance the tango, you would be only falling deeper into the ontological pit you have dug for yourself. The critique of “unicorns can’t dance the tango”, is not that some unicorns can dance the tango: it is, of course, that unicorns don’t exist so that any discussion of their dancing prowess is just, well, silly.

    So: you invite people to dismantle your proposition that God is not trustworthy by citing instances of where God is trustworthy, but this is exactly the same logical error as the dancing unicorns. If God does not exist, then it is entirely besides the point arguing whether or not this non-existent being possesses trustworthiness or untrustworthiness, when both of these are qualities of existing beings.

    In summary, your proposition is simply logically incoherent. if God does not exist, then stop there. It is nonsensical to then launch into an argument about whether or not this non-existent being possesses qualities that only existing beings possess.

    It’s like, to use one final example, arguing that fear is not blue, and inviting people to prove you are wrong by showing that fear is another colour. Fear does not have a colour. Fear is an emotion, and colour is an attribute of objects. So “fear is not blue” is just nonsense, and while it is trivially true, in a useless kind of way, it is certainly not a valid direction to disprove it by trying to find a colour that does describe fear. Again, to pursue such an argument would be simply to compound the original logical error.

    “God is not trustworthy” is just an oxymoron. It’s not a sensible logical proposition. It does you no credit to continue to make this assertion as if it contains some value.

  90. Posted December 10, 2015 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Hey there Ronald,

    I very much appreciate your thoughtful reply, but don’t have time for a lengthy answer right now since I have to go to work soon.

    All the best,

    Richard

  91. Posted December 10, 2015 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Hey there Ronald,

    Quick question: Would you say that God trustworthy?

  92. MichaelFree
    Posted December 10, 2015 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Ronald H.,

    Richard is talking to religious people when he says that God is not trustworthy; he is not talking to atheists. This is an important distinction. When an atheist is talking to another atheist about the subject of God-deity, they speak to each other in plain terms, i.e.: “purported God deity does not exist” and they don’t question the trustworthiness of something that they know does not exist. Sure one day atheists might be proven wrong about the existence of God-deity, but that day hasn’t occurred.

    This is what Richard said in the article: “Christianity is founded upon the idea that God is trustworthy. That is its central claim (here Richard is talking to so-called Christians). If God is not trustworthy then Christianity is false. But there is no proof that God even exists, let alone that he is trustworthy (here Richard is talking to atheists using plain terms)”. Now of course Richard is talking to everyone throughout the article, religionists and atheists, so my words in parenthesis are to clarify the mindset of an atheist questioning the trustworthiness of purported God-deity when speaking to religionists who claim that purported God-deity not only exists but is trustworthy.

  93. Posted December 10, 2015 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    You make some good points on your website but this is not one of them. It’s a silly argument you make. What you are trying to say is, actually, God does not exist. Then, you want to “twist the knife” by taking it one step further and saying that this God, who does not exist, is untrustworthy. But this extra layer to your argument is unnecessary, and weakens the first part.

    No, that is not what I was saying in the article. The point of the article is that believers are demonstrably deluded when they say that God is trustworthy. As far as I can tell, your lengthy response does not address any point that I actually made in the article.

    The best way to demonstrate this is with your question about the tooth fairy. “Is the toothfairy trustworthy?”, you ask, if I may paraphrase your words without being accused of falsifying your quotation. You would assert, I assume, (correct me if I am wrong), that “the toothfairy is untrustworthy”.

    But really? Would you really assert that? If indeed you would go around asserting that the toothfairy is untrustworthy, what would any normal person say in response to this? They would say the statement is ridiculous. The toothfairy does not exist. Therefore the toothfairy could not be said to drive a black SUV for example. Because it doesn’t exist. You equally couldn’t claim that the toothfairy is a bad softball player. Because the tooth fairy doesn’t play softball. You couldn’t seriously assert that the toothfairy is unkind to small furry animals, because, well, you get the idea.

    I didn’t say a word about the Tooth Fairy in the article. But if there were billions of people who trusted the Tooth Fairy to do this or that, then it would make sense to ask “Is the Tooth Fairy trustworthy?” to help them see that their trust in the Tooth Fairy was unjustified just as I did with the traditional God. I introduced the idea of Allah, the Tooth Fairy, and Santa in a recent off-the-cuff response to Fred who had suggested that I was confusing the idea of God’s silence with his being untrustworthy. I was trying to help him see that the Muslim belief in Allah’s trustworthiness is identical to his belief in Yahweh’s trustworthiness, and I tossed in a couple other mythological beings to help him see that it would be equally foolish to trust any of them. They are all equally silent to prayers so his defense of his God would apply to them all.

    So to assert that the toothfairy is untrustworthy would just be a silly thing to say. What you ought to say, if you want to talk seriously about the toothfairy, is that the toothfairy does not exist. It’s a fantasy. Sure, a nickel might appear under your pillow if you leave a tooth there, if you are a child, but it was your parents.

    Your analogy fails because I did not begin with a presumption that Yahweh does not exist. On the contrary, that is the conclusion I derive from a variety of arguments, one of which is that he cannot exist because he does not have the properties attributed to him in the Bible. He is not kind, rational, or wise. And he cannot be trusted. Therefore, the Yahweh described in the Bible does not exist.

    Your entire argument against my position seems to be founded on the false assumption that I begin with the presumption that God does not exist. That is backwards. My argument is that Yahweh is demonstrably untrustworthy and therefore contradicts his own definition as given in the Bible.

    Now if a person begins with the presumption that the Tooth Fairy does not exist, then it is immediately obvious that it would be folly to trust that it could do anything, since non-existent beings can’t do anything. It is not a logical fallacy to say that non-existence beings cannot be trusted to do anything. On the contrary, it is a tautology. It follows by definition.

    So now let’s imagine an adult leaving a tooth under their pillow. Next morning, no nickel. Imagine now this adult heading off to work for the day, then around the water-cooler, sharing with their co-workers that the toothfairy is not trustworthy, in all seriousness.

    The co-workers would laugh their heads off and consider that this person needed to get a grip. There is no toothfairy. That’s why the tooth didn’t appear. It’s not because the toothfairy is untrustworthy. To assert such a thing is to get hopelessly tangled up in ontological misunderstanding.

    Your analogy fails. The proper analogy would be an adult who lives with his elderly mother who has been playing the Tooth Fairy his whole life, so he believes the Tooth Fairy is real. Then one sad day his momma dies. He loses a tooth and puts it under a pillow but no money is left. So he goes to work and tells his coworkers about how strange it is that the Tooth Fairy stopped giving money after his mother died. I’m sure there would be some muffled laughter, as they realized their coworker was deluded. And so it is with belief that God is trustworthy.

    So, now, God. Just say God doesn’t exist. And leave it at that.

    I’m sorry, but refuting my argument is not quite that easy. You have written many words, but not one of them has anything to do with the actual argument I presented. As explained above, my argument does not begin with the presumption that God does not exist. It shows that if we assume God does exist, then we must conclude that he is not the God described in the Bible because he is not trustworthy.

    But to go to the watercooler and tell everybody that this “God”, who doesn’t exist, is untrustworthy, is just like asserting that the toothfairy is untrustworthy. It’s an ontological error. You have attributed a property of beings that exist to a being that doesn’t exist. Of course you can’t get a being who doesn’t exist to answer your prayers, or send you stuff you think you want. That doesn’t make your imaginary, non-existent being unttrustworthy; it makes you a confused person who doesn’t understand that ebings that don’t exist cannot exhibit attributes of beings that have existence.

    Again, that is not what I am doing. I did not begin by asserting that God does not exist. I showed that if there is a God, he cannot be the God of the Bible because he does not possess the property of trustworthiness attributed to him in the Bible.

    If God exists, and fails to answer prayers THEN, by all means, go ahead and call him untrustworthy. Set up tests in which you can prove that God ignores you when you ask for a new car, or a better job, or a ticket to the big game. Then, for sure, complain that God claims to hear prayer but in fact ignores them.

    That is exactly what I have done.

  94. Posted December 10, 2015 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    This is what Richard said in the article: “Christianity is founded upon the idea that God is trustworthy. That is its central claim (here Richard is talking to so-called Christians). If God is not trustworthy then Christianity is false. But there is no proof that God even exists, let alone that he is trustworthy (here Richard is talking to atheists using plain terms)”. Now of course Richard is talking to everyone throughout the article, religionists and atheists, so my words in parenthesis are to clarify the mindset of an atheist questioning the trustworthiness of purported God-deity when speaking to religionists who claim that purported God-deity not only exists but is trustworthy.

    Thanks for helping clarify Michael! It is much appreciated.

  95. Posted December 10, 2015 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    To take it one step further, allow me to point out that your suggested line for a rebuttal to your proposition is also logically incoherent.

    Again, in claiming that “God is not trustworthy”, you are making an argument of the form “A does not possess the property B”. However, you make a logical error in this assertion, because A is a being whom you claim does not exist, and B is a property that can only be attributed to beings that do exist.

    There is no logical error because my argument is not based on the assertion that “God does not exist.” I have consistently stated that there could be some sort of God that I know nothing about. The point of my argument is that it is demonstrably delusional for Christians (or Jews or Muslims) to say that Yahweh (or Allah) is trustworthy because in fact he is not. This then can be used as a proof the he doesn’t exist because he does not have the property that defines him.

    So in this case, to state that “A does not possess the property B” is true, but only trivially true, in the sense that A is not from the class of objects that are capable of exhibiting property B.

    No, it’s not trivial at all. It is the essence of an argument for the non-existence of A:

    1) Define an entity A as having property B.
    2) Show no entity has property B.
    3) Therefore, A does not exist.

    Pretty simply logic.

    To really drive this point home, one could just as easily substitute this quality B, which you have allocated to “trustworthiness”, to the quality of “untrustworthiness”: in this case, one would then propose the assertion that “God is not untrustworthy”. This statement is just as true, i.e. trivially true, as your original proposition. God is not untrustworthy because “untrustworthiness” is a quality possessed only by beings that exist. So if God does not exist, then one may just as equally say that “God is not untrustworthy”, as “God is not trustworthy”. Both are trivially true. Both are pointless propositions. Both are logically incoherent.

    Your logic relating to predicates applied to non-existent entities seems blatantly self-contradictory. Your mistake is that you have taken the statement “A is not B” as universally true for all non-existent A. But that’s absurd in the case when A = “Something that does not exist” and B = “nonexistent.” In that case, you are asserting the absurdity that “Something that does not exist is not nonexistent.” Nice work with that logic! Better be careful, you are playing with a very sharp knife. I don’t want to see you hurt yourself.

    So: you invite people to dismantle your proposition that God is not trustworthy by citing instances of where God is trustworthy, but this is exactly the same logical error as the dancing unicorns. If God does not exist, then it is entirely besides the point arguing whether or not this non-existent being possesses trustworthiness or untrustworthiness, when both of these are qualities of existing beings.

    Again, there is no logical error because I did not begin with the presumption that God does not exist. On the contrary, I am saying that on the assumption that God exists, we can prove he is not trustworthy. But this means that God does not have the property of trustworthiness attributed in the Bible, so that God (Yahweh) cannot be the true God (assuming there is one).

    In summary, your proposition is simply logically incoherent. if God does not exist, then stop there. It is nonsensical to then launch into an argument about whether or not this non-existent being possesses qualities that only existing beings possess.

    Again, my argument was that if there is a God, he is not the God of the Bible. You have not written a word that contradicts or even challenges my argument.

    “God is not trustworthy” is just an oxymoron. It’s not a sensible logical proposition. It does you no credit to continue to make this assertion as if it contains some value.

    If the proposition “God is trustworthy” is sensible, then so is its negation. Any proposition P can be negated. The negation of a sensible proposition is itself sensible. But only one of them can be true. This is the law of excluded middle (one of the most fundamental laws of logic) which could not be stated if this were not true. Either P or Not P is true. P = Not Not P. If Not P is nonsense, then Not Not P would also be nonsense since the negation of nonsense is still nonsense since you could not know what you are negating.

    I now would invite you to actually address the argument I presented in the opening post which stands unrefuted.

  96. God
    Posted December 12, 2015 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    I don’t often comment on blogs, but, I’d just like to say:

    Richard McGough is not trustworthy.

    Used to say he would love me forever. Now claims I don’t even exist.

    Humans. So fickle.

  97. MichaelFree
    Posted December 12, 2015 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Actually now Richard claims the truth that “the Bible is full of contradictions, errors, absurdities, and moral abominations attributed to its God”. That makes Richard trustworthy.

    The God of the Bible. Such a dick.

    Show me one lie that Richard has said in any of these articles or in any of his comments. Show me just one. I have not seen any at all.

    Humans. We learn over time and it is glorious.

  98. That True Light
    Posted December 15, 2015 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Is God Trustworthy?

    No doubt that He is in my mind and in my heart.

    How else would I know and understand that Satan is the god of this present evil world who has blinded the minds of those that believe not the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ? How else would I know that the kingdoms of this present evil world belong to him and that he gives them to whoever bows down and worships him? How else could we see that coming day approaching when the LORD shall destroy that man of sin by the brightness of His coming?

    How else would I know the desires of the flesh versus the fruit of the Spirit, for example;

    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    How would I know these things unless the LORD and His word alone has revealed them to me?

    How is that not trustworthy?

    Who in the world (even an unbeliever) could not see this present evil world for what it actually is?

    Am I missing something?

  99. That True Light
    Posted December 15, 2015 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Wasn’t it also Mark Twain who wrote.. “It’s not what I don’t understand in the Bible that bothers me, it’s what I do understand in the Bible..that bothers me.”

    The word of God is a two-edged sword which can divide soul and spirit.. iow it gets to the heart of the matter.

    Conviction is based upon evidence.. it always is.. there is absolutely no reason for any person to be convicted of anything that isn’t true and that doesn’t align with reality.. like SIN for example.

    The entire OT is evidence of the problem of sin and its remedy. Countless examples and real life blood drenched sacrifices to show us what God ultimately did for every man in the first Adam.. He died for their sins according to the scriptures.

    This convicts man and that in itself is a good thing.. for it is the goodness of God which leads men to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Do people actually want to deny the reality of sin and pretend that it’s not important in the lives of God’s creatures?

    How deceptive is the god of this present evil world to have men come to deny what every single person has experienced in their own life..?

    SIN..

    And its consequences..

    I agree with what Mark Twain said.. it’s not what I don’t understand in the Bible that bothers me.. it’s what I do understand in the Bible that bothers me.. and thanks be to God for the precious shed blood of His only begotten Son who taketh away the sin of the world.

  100. That True Light
    Posted December 15, 2015 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    If there’s one thing I hate most about the god of this world and those deceived thereby, it’s the simple fact that they’re liars and ALWAYS turn the truth around and say the opposite..

    The Title of this article is a prime example..

    “The Root of Religious DELUSION”

    See it.. the writer here is applying DELUSION to those that actually believe the truth of the holy scriptures, while in fact the very ones who are sent strong DELUSION are those who reject the love of the truth that they might be saved.

    It’s always the case with the god of this world who is a liar and a coward.. he accuses others of the exact thing pertaining to himself.

    It’s like when liars say that the US is the great Satan and that Israel is the little Satan.. the very ones who are delusional and deceived by the god of this present evil world.. it could never be about them, only about those who actually believe the truth. They’re so DELUSIONAL that the god of this world gets them to believe that they’re doing god service when they murder Jews or Christians.

    So once again, I’ll gladly and praise-fully rest in what the scriptures teach me with respect to those who are DELUSIONAL.

  101. Posted December 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    No doubt that He is in my mind and in my heart.

    How else would I know and understand that Satan is the god of this present evil world who has blinded the minds of those that believe not the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ? How else would I know that the kingdoms of this present evil world belong to him and that he gives them to whoever bows down and worships him? How else could we see that coming day approaching when the LORD shall destroy that man of sin by the brightness of His coming?

    How else would you know? Ohm I don’t know … let me think about that real hard for a while. … Is it possible you learned those things by reading them in a book?

    I see no reason to think that you “know” any of those things. They are merely the unfounded dogmas of your religion that you read in an old book. Please explain why anyone should believe they are true.

    Who in the world (even an unbeliever) could not see this present evil world for what it actually is?

    The world is infinitely better than it was when racism, sexism, and slavery were the law of the land in this “Christian” nation. Christians have always thought that the world was getting more and more evil in their own generation. Luther thought the end was near 400 years ago because the world was getting so much more evil. And why have so many Christians shared this delusion over a span of two thousand years? Because it is what is taught in their Bible! Paul talked about the “present evil world” in the first century and said Christ would return soon. It never happened. Christianity is a failed doomsday cult, and like all doomsday cults, it is fundamentally delusional. I explained this in my article The Art of Rationalization: A Case Study of Christian Apologist Rich Deem.

  102. Posted December 15, 2015 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    See it.. the writer here is applying DELUSION to those that actually believe the truth of the holy scriptures, while in fact the very ones who are sent strong DELUSION are those who reject the love of the truth that they might be saved.

    It’s always the case with the god of this world who is a liar and a coward.. he accuses others of the exact thing pertaining to himself.

    You say I’m deluded and I say you’re deluded. How is anyone to know the truth? Is there any difference between us? Yes there is! I presented evidence based on logic and facts that prove it is delusional to believe that God is trustworthy and you have not presented any evidence that I was wrong. You did nothing by repeat your religious dogmas without any justification, just like a Mormon, Muslim, Scientologist, or any other cult member.

    You have not written a word showing any error in anything I have written.

    My assertions stand.

  103. Posted December 15, 2015 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Wasn’t it also Mark Twain who wrote.. “It’s not what I don’t understand in the Bible that bothers me, it’s what I do understand in the Bible..that bothers me.”

    The word of God is a two-edged sword which can divide soul and spirit.. iow it gets to the heart of the matter.

    Conviction is based upon evidence.. it always is.. there is absolutely no reason for any person to be convicted of anything that isn’t true and that doesn’t align with reality.. like SIN for example.

    Excellent quote! And I agree that conviction should be based on evidence. It seems very strange that you would say that for two reasons. First, there is no evidence that the Bible is the Word of God and there is a mountain of evidence that it is not. It is filled with errors in logic and fact, absurdities, superstitions, and moral abominations attributed to God.

    The entire OT is evidence of the problem of sin and its remedy. Countless examples and real life blood drenched sacrifices to show us what God ultimately did for every man in the first Adam.. He died for their sins according to the scriptures.

    Sin? You mean like eating shrimp and wearing mixed fabrics?

    Many of the “sins” in the Bible have nothing to do with real morality.

    And worse, it is the God of the OT that was the most wicked of all. He commanded his people to murder women and children. He instituted sexism and slavery.

    This convicts man and that in itself is a good thing.. for it is the goodness of God which leads men to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Yes, it’s easy to parrot what you have been told to believe. It would be better if you learned to think critically. How are you different than any other cult member?

    Do people actually want to deny the reality of sin and pretend that it’s not important in the lives of God’s creatures?

    Absolutely. It is much better to seek truth and real morality which is based on self-love and the Golden Rule. The Bible is fundamentally immoral. Especially the Gospel which lets the guilty go free and punishes the innocent forever in hell. I explain why morality has nothing to do with God in my article The Logic of Love: A Natural Theory of Morality.

    How deceptive is the god of this present evil world to have men come to deny what every single person has experienced in their own life..?

    Religion – belief in dogmas taught in old books without any reason found in logic and facts – is the real deceiver.

    I agree with what Mark Twain said.. it’s not what I don’t understand in the Bible that bothers me.. it’s what I do understand in the Bible that bothers me.. and thanks be to God for the precious shed blood of His only begotten Son who taketh away the sin of the world.

    I don’t think you understood what Mark Twain meant. He rejected the Bible for the same reasons I do, because it is filled with errors, contradictions, and moral abominations attributed to God. It cannot be the Word of God. People who believe it is are demonstrably deluded.

  104. That True Light
    Posted December 16, 2015 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    No surprise here.. it’s another reason to thank the LORD for His word which tells us all about the high minded scoffers of the last days.. who mock sin and even deny the LORD Himself. The Spirit of anti Christ doing what he does best.. deceiving and being deceived..

    In this case we have a man who sold the truth for a lie.. even for something as ridiculous as ‘cognitive bias’.. it’s almost hilarious but again, no surprise.

    I’ll trust in the simple truth of the holy scriptures any day over these scoffers.. The simple truth tells us as plain as day that Satan is the god of this present evil world who takes men captive (like this one) at his will.. who gives the kingdoms of this present evil world to whoever bows down and worships him..

    Some he gets to sell the truth for 30 pieces of silver.. here we have it sold for some high minded cognitive bias.. LOL, what a dousy that one is.. but hey, we’re delusional and he isn’t..

    This is how delusional it can get for those who reject the love of the truth that they might be saved.. they’re left to scoff at the truth and bask in the high mindedness of cognitive bias.

    Proverbs 1 doesn’t end well for those who reject the truth and then call on the LORD after it’s too late.. I used to get sad at things like this but not any longer.. I have no sympathy for the devil and his deceived puppets who sell the truth for a lie, and then have the audacity to call others delusional.

  105. That True Light
    Posted December 16, 2015 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    Another reason why I love the LORD and KNOW that He is trustworthy is because He alone can change the heart..

    Prov 17..

    The fining pot for silver,
    The furnace for gold:
    But the LORD trieth the hearts.

    Can the LORD change your heart? Of course He can.. That’s what He does.. To those who DO receive Him. His Spirit changes us from glory to glory.

    There’s nothing more glorious (although sometimes painful as it is) than to have the Spirit of Christ within you.

    SO, for any here who actually hate the sin that is within them, and feel as though there is no hope in being delivered from that burden.. ASK the LORD to change your heart.. just as King David did long ago..

    Create in me a clean heart O LORD, and renew a right Spirit within me..

    I know from a lifelong experience that the LORD loves DOING this for anyone who asks in faith.. and HE ALONE can make you perfect, bringing you from GLORY to GLORY, even as by the Spirit of the LORD.

    And along the way, don’t forget that the god of this present evil world loves to get men to sell the truth.. and yet as the wisest man ever said.. the wisdom that is from above can’t even be compared to all the silver and gold in the world.

  106. That True Light
    Posted December 16, 2015 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Maybe a thought or two on what’s happening on the world stage.

    Iran just got the deal of a lifetime.. billions of dollars to do what they love to do.. kill Jews and Christians. They’re delusional to the point of thinking that they’re doing god service.

    To these delusional minds.. the US is the great Satan and Israel is the little Satan..

    But they’re not.. LOL…

    They’re the good guys.. right?

    Think of the richest men on the planet and how they might have come to those riches.. by bowing down and worshipping the god of this present evil world..

    Why do you think the LORD told us that? So that we would know to put on His righteousness and His truth in order to stand against his lies.. that’s what Satan does.. he lies, he steals, he murders, and he scoffs at the truth.

    His two biggest buddies are not going to die either.. they’re going to be cast alive into the lake of fire at the LORD’s coming.. just read Rev 19 and see for yourself.

    Two men did not die in the OT, Enoch and Elijah.. they were translated to heaven without seeing death.

    Two men will not die in the NT, The beast and the false prophet. They’re cast into the lake of fire by the LORD.

    The wheat and the tares are growing up into their respective heads..

    So you’re either growing up into that perfect man, the Lord Jesus Christ.. OR you’re growing up into that man of sin.. whose end is to be cast into the lake of fire.

    The fear of the LORD is truly the beginning of wisdom..

    The scoffers are having their day now.. selling the truth, pretending that they’re really really smart and that this all comes down to cognitive bias..

    You can either trust in the LORD who is man enough to tell you truth about this sin cursed world.. or you can trust in the high mindedness of men and their cognitive bias.

  107. That True Light
    Posted December 16, 2015 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    My favorite scriptures for this time of year when many celebrate Christ being born.. are from Luke’s gospel. I even like to read them with the voice of Linus from the peanuts.. :-)

    And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

    And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

    For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

    And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

    And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

    The birth of Christ happened literally within Mary’s earthen vessel, and it’s also a wondrous example and picture of Christ being born within a person when they believe the message from above.. just as Mary did.. of course the latter being the SPIRIT of Christ born within your own earthen vessel.

    That’s what being born again literally is.. having CHRIST born in you.. and there’s no better time than the present day of salvation to call upon the name of the LORD Jesus Christ and be saved from your sins, to be washed in the precious shed blood of the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world.

    Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. and thy house.

    You can have the Lord Jesus Christ living within you and having all things made new.. and begin a lifelong journey of being conformed to the image of that perfect man, even as by the SPIRIT of the LORD..

    Ask Him to save you and see if He is trustworthy.. See if He actually will come into your life, save you, and sanctify you perfectly as you are taken from glory to glory..

    Then you’ll know the trustworthyness of God’s beloved Son who loves you, and gave Himself for you, so that you can be reconciled to God and have a standing as perfect as the Lord Jesus Christ, Himself.

    OR… go with the really really smart ones and scoff at the truth of God’s Gift, and explain to all men how brilliant you are for selling the truth and then having strong delusion sent upon you so that you believe the lie… and can then condescendingly tell men that they’re delusional for believing the truth of the gospel of God’s Son.

  108. MichaelFree
    Posted December 16, 2015 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    “That True Light”,

    Bowing to a God so that he doesn’t torture you is shameful and sad and mentally and physically torturous here on Earth. There is no life in him. It’s all death. It’s all hypocrisy. It’s all dishonor. Your God tells you “do not kill”, and then he murders people, but he doesn’t let them die, he just lets them experience murder for eternity. And he’s been a murderer from the beginning.

    Righteous Jesus came to bring life and prayed for all people when he went to the cross, that we’d all be forgiven, but Christianity won’t answer Jesus’ prayer, and even says that just because Jesus prayed to the Father that we’d all be forgiven doesn’t mean this his prayers were answered.

  109. MichaelFree
    Posted December 17, 2015 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    “That True Light”,

    As long as Christians know that they are commanded to do no violence to non-believers, to not steal from them, and to not lie to them, then I have no problem with Christianity. We are free to believe whatever we want to believe in life.

  110. MichaelFree
    Posted December 17, 2015 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    “That True Light”,

    I know what this means:

    “Love God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your soul”

    only when I know what this means:

    “Love thy neighbor as thyself”

  111. That True Light
    Posted December 17, 2015 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    More sympathy for the devil, that’s all this is.. no sympathy for Christ who bore the sin of the world in His own body.. just more mockery of sin and a high minded attitude that God is unjust for judging unrepentant sin and disobedience.

    See for yourself what the end is for the man of sin.. the beast and his false prophet.. they’re going to be cast alive in to the lake of fire..

    The world is already under the sway of the wicked one, and it isn’t going to be long until he is cast down to the earth and is given complete dominion over it.. everything is already in place to do this. The Revelation told us about it over two thousand years ago.. and it’s coming upon us as clear as day.

    I personally can’t wait until the man of sin is destroyed by the brightness of His coming. I have no sympathy for all the liars, robbers, and murderers who sell their souls for evil and align themselves with him.

    The ONLY way that your sin is going to be washed away is by the precious shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.. period.. so pretend all you want that He is unjust for judging the world and its sheer hatred for him.. see how that goes in the end when you have sold the truth and are left with nothing but the lies of the god of this present evil world.

  112. That True Light
    Posted December 17, 2015 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    How’s that for trustworthiness.. the Revelation telling us the future in perfectly clear terms. The OT does the same thing.. the Day of the LORD is all over the OT and the NT and men can pretend all they want that it isn’t coming.. it is coming.. and that’s why the god of this world is getting as many as he can to sell the truth.

    Make no mistake about it.. His word is final and it’s not going to change. The Revelation shows us the end of the man of sin and his puppets who sell their own souls to him..

    OR, trust in your own high-mindedness and sell for the truth for some dross filled cognitive bias.

    We all know where Judas ended up when he sold the truth.

  113. Posted December 17, 2015 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    No surprise here.. it’s another reason to thank the LORD for His word which tells us all about the high minded scoffers of the last days.. who mock sin and even deny the LORD Himself. The Spirit of anti Christ doing what he does best.. deceiving and being deceived..

    Last days? Ha! That’s the central delusion of your cult. Christians have been proclaiming it is the “last days” for nearly two thousand years and they’ve always been wrong. Indeed, they have one of the longest running unbroken records of total error in the world. Few things are easy to prove than that end times believers are deluded.

    It’s not being “high minded” to refute the blatant and inexcusable delusion spread by your cult. All it takes is common sense and basic logic.

    Your comment is quite ironic given that Peter was talking about the “scoffers” who were mocking the first century Christians who claimed that Christ would return “soon” during their own lifetimes. The Bible quotes Christ as telling his first century audience that the end would come before they died. This is why I say that Christianity began as a failed doomsday cult. And it has remained such for two thousand years. Nothing could be more pathetic. It has deceived untold millions of gullible believers.

    In this case we have a man who sold the truth for a lie.. even for something as ridiculous as ‘cognitive bias’.. it’s almost hilarious but again, no surprise.

    You are scoffing at the truth that could set you free. Suppose you were a Muslim. If you scoffed at the truth as you are now, how would you become free from your false beliefs?

    I’ll trust in the simple truth of the holy scriptures any day over these scoffers.. The simple truth tells us as plain as day that Satan is the god of this present evil world who takes men captive (like this one) at his will.. who gives the kingdoms of this present evil world to whoever bows down and worships him..

    Your accusations are false and unfounded. You have not presented any evidence justifying your accusations. The Bible warns of people like you. It calls false accusers “sons of the devil” and says they will be “cast into the Lake of Fire.”

    Some he gets to sell the truth for 30 pieces of silver.. here we have it sold for some high minded cognitive bias.. LOL, what a dousy that one is.. but hey, we’re delusional and he isn’t..

    At least you got one thing right. I have presented strong evidence that it is delusional to believe God is trustworthy and you have not shown any error in anything I have written. My words stand. Your words are fallen, like the babble of Babylon. It appears you despise truth which, from a biblical perspective, means that you despise Christ.

    Proverbs 1 doesn’t end well for those who reject the truth and then call on the LORD after it’s too late.. I used to get sad at things like this but not any longer.. I have no sympathy for the devil and his deceived puppets who sell the truth for a lie, and then have the audacity to call others delusional.

    I do not merely “call” others delusional. I prove it with logic and facts that you cannot refute. That’s the difference between us. I present evidence and you merely spew out mindless religious dogma like any other cult member. You sound just like a fundamentalist Mormon, Muslim, or Jehovah’s Witness.

  114. Posted December 17, 2015 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    How’s that for trustworthiness.. the Revelation telling us the future in perfectly clear terms.

    Ha! You must be joking! No one has a clue what Revelation means. Jerome said the book has as many mysteries as words. The most fervent believers cannot agree about what it means.

    The OT does the same thing.. the Day of the LORD is all over the OT and the NT and men can pretend all they want that it isn’t coming.. it is coming.. and that’s why the god of this world is getting as many as he can to sell the truth.

    Wow – another joke? Christians have been saying the “day is coming” for nearly two thousand years. And they’ve always been wrong. It is the central delusion of your religion which began as a failed doomsday cult.

    Make no mistake about it.. His word is final and it’s not going to change. The Revelation shows us the end of the man of sin and his puppets who sell their own souls to him..

    Sure it does. And that’s why thousands of deluded believers gave Harold “L. Ron” Camping over 80 million dollars in the five years from 2005-2009 so he could proclaim the “truth” that the Rapture would happen on May 21, 2011. He said “The Bible Guarantees it.” Yup. LOL.

    OR, trust in your own high-mindedness and sell for the truth for some dross filled cognitive bias.

    I don’t think you understand the meaning of “cognitive bias.” Have you never noticed that the Muslims think that Allah designed the Quran on the number 19, and that this is proof that it was inspired? How is it possible that grown men could come to such a conclusion? It’s call “cognitive bias.” They cherry pick through an ocean of random numbers and pick out only the “hits” while ignoring all the misses. That’s how they delude themselves. And that’s how you have deluded yourself. It’s as plain as day. The fact that you can’t understand even when it is explained to you only demonstrates how your religion has corrupted your mind and bred in you a contempt for the truth.

    We all know where Judas ended up when he sold the truth.

    Do we? The Bible contradicts itself on what happened to Judas.

  115. Posted December 17, 2015 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I know what this means:

    “Love God with all your heart, with all your mind, and with all your soul”

    only when I know what this means:

    “Love thy neighbor as thyself”

    Yep. Self-love is the root of morality.

    The Logic of Love: A Natural Theory of Morality

    You know how to love the other self only if you know how to love your own self.

  116. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    Can you think of any examples of STRONG DELUSION today?

    How about when men are led to believe that Israel should be wiped off the map?

    How about when a nation gives billions of dollars to another nation that has vowed death to Israel (who they call the little Satan) and death to America (who they call the great Satan)..?

    How about strapping some bombs on children and sending them in to blow up innocent people?

    Does that ever happen?

    It’s all good right? No delusion there..

    Antichrist denies both the Father and the Son which involves both Judaism and Christianity, regardless of the simple fact of Father and Son being gloriously stamped all over God’s creation.

    This is how delusional things are and they’re getting progressively worse regardless of the liars who say that it’s all good and that judgment isn’t coming.. you can trust them.. they’re really really smart and sell the truth for a few pieces of silver.. or worse.. for some high minded cognitive bias rubbish.

    They love to mock sin and worse, the sin bearer.. God’s beloved Son who has born our sins and our iniquities in His own body on that tree..

    How would you like to be in their shoes come judgment day?

    It was said of Judas that it would have been better for him to not have been born rather than to betray and sell the Truth.

  117. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 4:52 am | Permalink

    The SPIRIT of God is convicting the WORLD of these things..

    First and foremost;

    SIN..

    and

    RIGHTEOUSNESS..

    and of course..

    JUDGMENT.

    Now Balaam has shown us that animals can be more aware of the spirit world than men can be at time. It took the dumb ass to get Balaam to see the truth of the matter which was right before his eyes… not his physical eyes of course.. his spiritual eyes..

    Balaam was bent on getting a huge payout from Balak… although of course the LORD had other plans. Did you know that Balaam and Balak are are also mentioned in the Revelation within the portion written to the church of God?

    Yes.. it’s true.. because of course Satan is still the god of this present evil world who takes men captive at his will and who gives the kingdoms of this world to those who bow down to him and worship him..

    Now come on… Nobody actually worships Satan, right?

    LOL… he’s just some cute little guy with horns right? He doesn’t actually have puppets all over the world doing his work, right? Maybe he is actually a nice guy and we just need to get to know him a little better..

    Maybe he isn’t actually a liar, a robber, and a murderer.. maybe he isn’t actually condemned as the LORD told us with respect to JUDGMENT…

    It’s all just cognitive bias, right.. because when you’re really really really smart… that’s what it comes down to. that’s what the truth is worth to some men today.

    I mean you should at least get some cash for it or something.. selling the Truth for a bit of cognitive bias down’t really sound like a good deal to me.. LOL

  118. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    So again for any who actually love the Lord Jesus Christ and hate their sin.. put Him to the test…

    If there’s one thing the LORD loves.. it’s to sanctify His people and to delight in taking them from GLORY to GLORY, even as by the SPIRIT of the LORD..

    Ask Him to create a clean heart in you. Ask him to make you hate the sin which so easily besets us.. by changing our heart to be like His.

    Did you know that God din’t forgive SIN.. He CONDEMNED SIN in the flesh. SINS (plural) are forgiven although the ROOT which is SIN isn’t forgiven, it is once again, CONDEMNED in the flesh.

    This is why those who have the Spirit of Christ in them can’t go on and on and on in SIN… because it’s condemned in them and the LORD is changing us from GLORY to GLORY by His Spirit which lives within the believer.

    Some preach sinless perfection on this side of eternity although the Apostles make it perfectly clear that this is deception. If we say that we have no sin we are deceived and the truth is not in us.

    That’s why those who sell the truth mock sin.. because the Truth isn’t in them.. and they’re deceived. If they continuously reject the truth it ends in strong delusion.

    You can enter into eternity being washed in the precious shed blood of the Lamb, God’s beloved Son, OR you can die in your sins..

    There’s only ONE DOOR folks.. and it’s Christ Jesus, the one who takes away the sin of the world. Every other way is a lie.

    The LORD told the self righteous men of the day that where He was going, they could not come. Because there are no scoffers there… there are no sin mockers there.. there will not be a single man there that mock’s the precious shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    And to that I say heartily.. AMEN.

  119. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    In my younger days I had a lot of HEAD knowledge.. and I actually found that to be a huge problem. I had no heart concerning the truth.

    Knowledge is wonderful and of course very important, although salvation is moreso a matter of the HEART, not the HEAD.

    Like this: (Romans 10)

    But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    It’s a matter of the heart.. this is why the wise King Solomon wrote..

    Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?

    The god of this present evil world loves HEAD knowledge and loves to make men think that they’re really really really smart.. imo there is nothing more ugly in this world than men who think that they know it all.. and speak of absolutely ridiculous things like evolution and my favorite.. the big bang.. LOL… these ridiculous things are all born in the head.. in the mind.. in those who are deceived into believing that they’re really smart.. they’ve been alive for a few years and believe that they’re capable and qualified to speak on things billions of years in the past.

    Praise God for making the wisdom of this present evil world absolute foolishness. And Praise be to God who has pronounced those who say that they see as blind.

  120. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Did you know that some of the elite globalist bankers have plainly stated that their goal is to have all financial transactions ultimately tracked and managed via an implantable chip or electronic tattoo on their person?

    They’re already doing it.

    NOW where have I heard that before? Where have I heard that men shall not be able to buy or sell unless they have a mark on their right hand or on their forehead?

    Give up?

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ.. written by the Apostle John over two-thousand years ago.

    That’s where.

    Now the question is this.. can we trust that information to be true? Can we see it coming?

    Once again, it’s already here and many people are willingly having it done.

    Nothing to see here right?

    Maybe ask the really really smart ones about this so that they can let us know that it’s probably just a little cognitive bias on our part for thinking like this.

    Speaking of finances… did you also know that the majority of the wealth of the world rests in the hands of less than one percent of the total population?

    I wonder if they have a say in anything… I wonder if they’re maybe those who have have bowed down to the god of this present evil world and worship him?

    Maybe that’s it.. maybe the LORD told it exactly like it is and that the kingdoms of this world belong to Satan and that he gives them to whosoever will bow to him?

    Something to think about..

    Maybe the Apostle wasn’t kidding around when he told us that we wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places.. against the rulers of this dark world.

    Sometimes I think that this is EXACTLY what is happening in the world, right here, right now, as we speak.

    But hey, I’m not that smart.. I’m delusional according to the wise men here.

    Trust them, they’ll comfort your hearts and let you know that your thinking this way is simply the result of cognitive bias. I mean come on.. these guys are really really really smart and they know these things.

  121. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Can you think of any examples of STRONG DELUSION today?

    How about when men are led to believe that Israel should be wiped off the map?

    How about when a nation gives billions of dollars to another nation that has vowed death to Israel (who they call the little Satan) and death to America (who they call the great Satan)..?

    How about strapping some bombs on children and sending them in to blow up innocent people?

    Does that ever happen?

    It’s all good right? No delusion there..

    Islam is every bit as delusional as Christianity. It’s current political form is a lot like Medieval Christianity which tortured, dismembered, and burned people alive if they did not submit to the Church.

  122. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Now let’s not confuse the whore of revelation which calls itself the church with the actual church of God. One is controlled by the god of this present evil world and the other is seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

    The Revelation tells us all about the whore who sits upon many waters.. and who has been in bed with the kings of this earth since it began.

    How quickly men forget about the tares growing which have been sown by the enemy.

    Don’t worry though, it’s probably just a little cognitive bias on my part..

  123. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Antichrist denies both the Father and the Son which involves both Judaism and Christianity, regardless of the simple fact of Father and Son being gloriously stamped all over God’s creation.

    Your comment indicates a profound misunderstanding of the Doctrine of the Trinity which teaches that the Son is no less the God of the Jews than the Father and the Holy Spirit.

    The belief that the “fact of the Father and Son” is “gloriously stamped all over God’s creation” is a perfect example of selection bias and confirmation bias. There is nothing in the real world that would support your belief. It’s all delusion, pure and simple, and that’s why you refuse to present any evidence supporting your assertions.

    If all you want to do is spew your unfounded religious dogmas without answering any of my comments, I will simply ban you from commenting. I don’t want to do that, but I have no interest in letting you scribble your gibberish on my site if you have no interest in authentic communication and interaction.

  124. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Isn’t it amazing that the LORD told us about Israel’s enemies a long time ago.. how that they sacrifice their children to the fire.

    And it’s like wow.. it still happens today just like His word says..

    They strap some bombs on their sons or their daughters and blow up innocent people and even believe that they’re doing god service in the process.

    Amazing how the word of God just happens to tell it EXACTLY like it is…

  125. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Of course the Truth will be banned here.. that’s what the god of this world does.. He sells the truth, to some for a little silver, and to others for some high minded cognitive bias.

  126. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Pretty soon all you’ll have left here is the lies of the godless sin mockers..

    What a surprise that is hey.. LOL

  127. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Of course the Truth will be banned here.. that’s what the god of this world does.. He sells the truth, to some for a little silver, and to others for some high minded cognitive bias.

    Merely asserting that your blind moronic religious dogmas are “truth” is the ultimate delusion.

    You have not presented any evidence supporting your words. You have not shown any error in anything I have written. Yet you think of your delusions as “Truth” with a capital T!

    It’s amazing to see how deep your delusion runs. You don’t even have a concept of the meaning of cognitive bias. You deny the one thing that could set you free from the chains of your religious brainwashing. You need to question what you’ve been told and think for yourself. You need to ask yourself why you believe any of it and become skeptical about your own religion as you are of all the others that you reject as of the devil. Only then will you find freedom and truth.

  128. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    The SPIRIT of God is convicting the WORLD of these things..

    First and foremost;

    SIN..

    and

    RIGHTEOUSNESS..

    and of course..

    JUDGMENT.

    Judgment requires evidence. You have presented no evidence. You merely repeat what you have been told to believe by your religious authorities.

    How are you any different than a Mormon, Muslim, or Jehovah’s Witness?

  129. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Pretty soon all you’ll have left here is the lies of the godless sin mockers..

    What a surprise that is hey.. LOL

    I presume you using the Biblical definition of “soon” so I’ll start worrying in about 2000 years! LOL

  130. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Pretty soon all you’ll have left here is the lies of the godless sin mockers..

    You are the mocker dude. You make a mockery of truth and reality, living in your ludicrous little world where you think you have the “Truth” with a capital T but can’t defend a word of it.

    You make a mockery of intelligence and what it means to be a human being.

  131. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    All the evidence in the world can’t convince those who sell the truth because they’re sent strong delusion.

    How’s that for evidence?

    How about the evidence of the scoffers and sin mockers right here who claim that there is no coming judgment? That they don’t even have sin…

    No evidence there right?

    Now the big bang.. there’s some evidence.. LOL

  132. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Amazing how the word of God just happens to tell it EXACTLY like it is…

    Sure it does. That’s why Christians have always been right about their predictions of the end of the world.

    Harold Camping much? LOL Millerites? 88 Reasons Why Jesus is Returning in 1988? Christianity has the longest running record of failed predictions in the world. Only an ignorant fool could believe what you have written.

  133. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    And don’t worry about taking that mark on your right hand or your forehead.. they’ll be sure to hush any objections with a little dose (or should I say dross) of cognitive bias.

  134. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    And don’t worry about the New World order of things.. I’m sure it’ll be fine.. the beast and false prophet will probably end up being good buddies with ya.. they love men who sell the truth and buy the lies.

  135. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    All the evidence in the world can’t convince those who sell the truth because they’re sent strong delusion.

    How’s that for evidence?

    FAIL.

    You don’t even know the meaning of evidence! Wow.

    How about the evidence of the scoffers and sin mockers right here who claim that there is no coming judgment? That they don’t even have sin…

    No evidence there right?

    FAIL. The fact that people don’t agree with your unfounded religious dogmas does not constitute “evidence.”

    Now the big bang.. there’s some evidence.. LOL

    Actually, that’s something for which we have mountains of evidence.

    The circle is now complete. You accept the mythological cosmology of the Bible written by men utterly ignorant of how the world really works, and reject modern science which has been proven ten trillion times with cell phones, computers, and rockets to the moon.

    Your light is darkness, and that’s the truth.

  136. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    I’l admit that I’m not really really really smart like you think that you are.. I’m delusional and you speak the truth right?

    You mock sin, you mock the sin bearer, and you bask in your elite high mindedness.

    Hey, who can challenge that?

  137. Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    And don’t worry about the New World order of things.. I’m sure it’ll be fine.. the beast and false prophet will probably end up being good buddies with ya.. they love men who sell the truth and buy the lies.

    Thanks for filling out the details of your delusions:

    1) You reject modern science like the big bang and evolution.

    2) You believe that the Bible is true and that there is much evidence supporting it.

    3) You believe in raving conspiracy theories about things like the New World Order.

    Anything else you want to enlighten us about? Global Warming hoax? Illuminati rule the world? 911 Conspiracy? Sandy Hook? Moon Landing? Young Earth? Flat Earth?

    Thank you for confirming my argument: Religion leads to all kinds of delusion.

    Funny thing is, you already agree with me about 99% of all religions are delusional! You think they are all delusional except yours. LOL

  138. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    I doubt if there’s any evidence of these things..

    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Must be cognitive bias on my part.

    Sorry.

  139. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    Then as the LORD says..

    Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also..

    Cognitive bias..

  140. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    And again, if you’re going to sell the truth at least get some gold for it or something.

    I think that you’re getting the short end of the deal here.. LOL

  141. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    All I mean is don’t let the devil get off this cheap.. make him pay up.. he has the kingdoms of this world at his disposal and gives them to whoever will bow and worship him..

    It sounds to me like you’re practically there already. don’t sell yourself short here.. I mean, cognitive bias?

    I’ll bet you can do much better than this.

  142. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Even this discourse is getting sinful. I’m not speaking the truth in love here. I’m just done with having any sympathy at all for devil and his lies and especially for the high minded like yourself who have the audacity to call men delusional.

    Don’t worry Rich, it can’t EVER happen to you.. you’re WAY tooooooo smmaaaaart for that.

    So, enjoy!

    As the wisest man ever once said..

    The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.

  143. Posted December 18, 2015 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    And again, if you’re going to sell the truth at least get some gold for it or something.

    I think that you’re getting the short end of the deal here.. LOL

    Your LOLs are the cackle of a madman. You have not shown any error in anything I have written. You have done nothing but repeat religious dogmas like a mindless robot.

  144. Posted December 18, 2015 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Even this discourse is getting sinful. I’m not speaking the truth in love here. I’m just done with having any sympathy at all for devil and his lies and especially for the high minded like yourself who have the audacity to call men delusional.

    You are the arrogant man who thinks he knows the “Truth” with a capital T even though he can’t defend a word of it.

    You exalt yourself above all the greatest minds that have ever lived. You have replaced demonstrable scientific truth for pathetic supertstitions of iron age goat herders. Pathetic.

    Don’t worry Rich, it can’t EVER happen to you.. you’re WAY tooooooo smmaaaaart for that.

    Your words are adolscent crap. I do not think I am too smart to be deluded. On the contrary, I am all to aware of my shortcomings. This should be obvious since I’ve written many articles about debunking myself and my former beliefs.

    I didn’t conclude I was wrong by suddenly becoming smarter! Duh. I examined the evidence and found it wanting. Simply as that. If you examined the reasons for your beliefs you would come to the same conclusion.

    So, enjoy!

    As the wisest man ever once said..

    The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.

    Ha! So you admit you cannot present evidence? All you have done is meddled with things you don’t understand. You are a perfect examole of how fundamentalist religion tends to corrupt the minds and morals of believers. It breeds a contempt for the truth. Nothing could be more ironic or pathetic given that you believe Jesus is the Truth. Your religion is the ultimate strong delusion. It teaches you to hate the truth even as it deceives you into thinking you love it.

  145. Posted December 18, 2015 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Even this discourse is getting sinful. I’m not speaking the truth in love here.

    You just noticed? That’s how you entered the conversation. You have done nothing but spew out insults based on religious dogmas with no justification, logic, or facts supporting your slander.

  146. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    We can’t all be as wise and wonderful as you now Rich, can we?

    I mean you’re really really really really ssssmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaart…

    I’d rather be the biggest fool on earth than to be one like you who sells the truth.. especially for a little cognitive bias, and then starts blogs about how delusional believers are.

    But hey, that’s just me.

  147. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Here’s what the Apostle has to say on the matter.

    For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  148. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Here’s another Apostle speaking on sin;

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    Then this in 1 John 2 about who the liars are..

    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

  149. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    We can’t all be as wise and wonderful as you now Rich, can we?

    I mean you’re really really really really ssssmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaart…

    What a mindless load of crap you post! I have never said or suggested that I am smarter than anyone else. I have presented arguments based on logic and facts and you can’t show any error in anything I write so you spew mindless insults like a deeply disturbed adolescent. The only thing you prove is that your mind and morals are utterly corrupt. You despise truth. How. Freaking. Pathetic.

  150. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I’d rather be the biggest fool on earth than to be one like you who sells the truth.. especially for a little cognitive bias, and then starts blogs about how delusional believers are.

    Why do yo continue to spew such ludicrous gibberish? I didn’t sell anything for “cognitive bias.” You apparently don’t even know what that word means. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your satanic arrogance. You are all the proof anyone needs to see how fundamentalist Christianity tends to corrupt the minds and morals of believers.

  151. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    If those words were true, you’d be destined for the lake of fire judging by the unjust slander and contempt for truth that you’ve displayed here.

  152. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I’d rather be the biggest fool on earth …

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

  153. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I’d rather be the biggest fool on earth than to be one like you who sells the truth.. especially for a little cognitive bias, and then starts blogs about how delusional believers are.

    But hey, that’s just me.

    Have you shown any error in anything I’ve written? Nope. Therefore, your assertions are baseless and you are a slanderer of the kind condemned by the Bible you pretend to believe. If anyone has the spirit of “antichrist” it is you.

  154. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    The wonderful thing about the Truth is that He lives within the believer and takes them from glory to glory.. it’s not always easy either.. there’s always going to be the struggle between our old man and the new man, Christ in us.

    The flesh always wars against the Spirit and they’re contrary to one another.

    This is exemplified for us in Abraham’s two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. The one born of the flesh and of the bondwoman and the other the miraculous gift of God after Sarah was beyond her child bearing age.

    Now Abraham had pleaded with the LORD that Ishmael could live before Him, but the LORD told him that His covenant would be through the son of promise, Isaac.

    Unbelievers do not have this conflict within their earthen vessel, there’s only the old nature, the flesh.

    It’s not until a man is born again that he begins to understand this sanctification process.

    We really can’t expect unbelievers to understand anything at all, they’re operating completely from the flesh.

    There can still be conviction.. although the Spirit doesn’t strive with men forever.. He doesn’t force anyone to come to Him..

    Now Satan on the other hand.. as soon as he takes the realm and is cast down to the earth.. he is going to force all, small and great, rich and poor, bond and free, to either worship him or be killed.

    That’s why he’s busy building this IOT so that he and his minions can track your every move.. he’s not omniscient as the LORD is. One again, the technology is already available.. it’s just a matter of when the rulers of this dark world force this upon everyone.

  155. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    The wonderful thing about the Truth is that He lives within the believer and takes them from glory to glory.. it’s not always easy either.. there’s always going to be the struggle between our old man and the new man, Christ in us.

    So says every cult member on the planet. Are you Catholic? Orthodox? One of the ten thousand varieties of Protestant? Mormon? Your words are utterly empty bullshit.

  156. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    The wonderful thing about the Truth is that He lives within the believer and takes them from glory to glory.. it’s not always easy either.. there’s always going to be the struggle between our old man and the new man, Christ in us.

    The flesh always wars against the Spirit and they’re contrary to one another.

    I told you that I am not going to allow you to splatter your preaching bullshit all over my blog. If you want to discuss the reasons anyone should believe your religion, then fine, I would be happy to discuss it with you. If you want to continue posting here you will have to answer my comments. If not, then you will be banned.

    This is your second warning.

  157. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    NOW when you read and study the prophets.. this is where you’ll find that the end times are going to once again center upon the nation of Israel and their being led to repentance by the goodness of God.

    We know that Israel is presently blinded in part until the fulness of gentile believers come in.

    So, for an excellent study on this I like to share what I consider some of the best Christian writers of all time.. you can find them at stempublishing.com

    STEM as you’ll see stands for Sound Teaching On Electronic Media.

    Check them out, some of these authors will make your hair stand on end they’re so good.

  158. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    NOW when you read and study the prophets.. this is where you’ll find that the end times are going to once again center upon the nation of Israel and their being led to repentance by the goodness of God.

    Ah … so you think Jesus is a false prophet? He said the end would come when the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. And the entire NT expliclitly confirms that the “end times” happened in the first century. So you are denying the entire New Testament. No surprise there, given that you also spit on its moral teachings.

  159. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    One of the best studies of all is the study of the DAY OF THE LORD.

    Satan hates this one.. it’s his doomsday although not immediately.. he gets complete dominion over the planet for 42 months or 3.5 years.

    THEN his beast and false prophet are taken alive at the coming of the LORD and cast into the Lake of fire.

    Satan is then bound for the thousand years.. and the millennial kingdom of Christ rules the earth.. this is also the judgment of the quick (living) when the LORD sits upon the throne of His glory in Jerusalem, the city of the great King.

    Then he is released and goes out to deceive the nations once again and surrounds the camp of the saints.. Satan is ultimately cast into the lake of fire where the beast and his false prophet will have been for a thousand years.

    Then it’s the judgment of the dead.

  160. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Satan hates this one.. it’s his doomsday although not immediately.. he gets complete dominion over the planet for 42 months or 3.5 years.

    Ha! Looks like you’ve fallen for the utterly unbiblical eschatology of the dispensational crowd. Wow. They are the primary propagators of the ludicrous false predictions like Harold “L. Ron” Camping.

  161. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    This will also be the conclusion of Daniel’s 70th week, the time of JACOB’s trouble.

    It’s amazing stuff, all foretold in wonderful ways even in the OT. The Revelation also gives us much greater detail as to this coming Day.

  162. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    This will also be the conclusion of Daniel’s 70th week, the time of JACOB’s trouble.

    Oh yes … Daniel’s 70th Week created by inventing an magical stretchy 2000+ year “gap” to fill so each generation can delude themselves into thinking they are the “last generation.” This has been going on for centuries, reaching a fevered pitch of madness in the last 70 years since the foundation of the modern unbiblical secular state of Israel. With every post, you demonstrate how your cult breeds delusion and contempt for the truth.

  163. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    It’s amazing stuff, all foretold in wonderful ways even in the OT. The Revelation also gives us much greater detail as to this coming Day.

    Ha! If it was foretold, why have Christians been spewing out false predictions for the last two thousand years? Your religion is madness. You continue repeating the same errors as all the previous generations of Christians. You are truly incorrigible. (Look it up.)

  164. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    NOW of course the rulers of this dark world want everyone to believe that this is all in the past. That’s why they come up with the nonsense of preterism and things of that nature and teach the exact opposite of the truth.

    In the END Israel is delivered.

    The liars say that in the end (70 AD) Israel is destroyed.

    Now everyone with half a brain cell left knows that Christ has not yet come again.. the preterists say it happened in AD70.

    The last thing in the world that they want any man to think or to know is that it’s in the future.

    The rulers of this dark world are doing a good job, they have plenty of men duped into thinking that Christ came in AD70 and wiped out Israel and that was the end.

    A Christian with the Spirit of Christ in them knows better, they’re still waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. The Spirit of Truth also tells us of things to come.. that’s another reason why unregenerated men can’t see past their nose.. because they have not the Spirit of Christ to show them these things.

  165. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    The liars say that in the end (70 AD) Israel is destroyed.

    So you call Jesus a liar. No surprise here.

  166. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    NOW of course the rulers of this dark world want everyone to believe that this is all in the past. That’s why they come up with the nonsense of preterism and things of that nature and teach the exact opposite of the truth.

    You don’t think the destruction of the Temple is past?

    You don’t think the first century is past?

    Jesus said the end would come during the lifetime of his first century audience, which he referred to as “this generation.” He said it would happen when the Temple was destroyed (70 AD).

    The entire NT says the “end times” happened in the first century.

    John said that it was the “last hour” back then, in the first century.

    Your beliefs are entirely contrary to the entire Bible. Fact.

  167. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    The last thing in the world that they want any man to think or to know is that it’s in the future.

    And that’s the ultimate delusion! You actually believe that the Bible gives real knowledge about the future? Why then have Christians littered history with ten thousand failed predictions about the future?

    How can you be so blind? The light in you is darkness. True Darkness.

  168. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    That’s one of my favorite things about the holy scriptures.. they tell us plainly about that coming day and the writer to the Hebrews mentions that we should all be gathering together more and more as we see the day approaching.

    And once again, we must understand that any man without the Spirit of Christ in Him can’t see any of this.. that’s why they must make a mockery of sin and the sin bearer and tell Christians that they’re delusional.

    Of course most men can’t admit that they’re deceived in this way.. nobody actually believes that they’re deceived until the Spirit reveals the truth to them.

    NOW when a man sells the truth, all he has left is the lies of the deceiver.

  169. Posted December 18, 2015 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Now everyone with half a brain cell left knows that Christ has not yet come again.

    Anyone with half a brain cell knows that the Bible is filled with errors, contradictions, absurdities, and gross immoralities and irrationalities attributed to its god. Anyone with half a brain cell knows absolutely that neither God nor the Bible can be trusted in any way.

  170. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    And once again, we must understand that any man without the Spirit of Christ in Him can’t see any of this..

    And how exactly do you know who has the Spirit of Christ? I presume you have a strict standard: If they agree with you and your personal interpretation of the Bible then they have the Spirit of Christ. Brilliant! No way that could be delusional.

  171. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    That’s one of my favorite things about the holy scriptures.. they tell us plainly about that coming day and the writer to the Hebrews mentions that we should all be gathering together more and more as we see the day approaching.

    If that were true why has no Christian in the history of the world been able to predict the future, though thousands have tried and failed?

    Your delusion runs deep. Very deep.

  172. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Of course most men can’t admit that they’re deceived in this way.. nobody actually believes that they’re deceived until the Spirit reveals the truth to them.

    If I have erred in anything I would admit it in a heartbeat. The problem is that you have not even tried to show any error in anything I’ve written, so there is nothing for me to admit.

    I, on the other hand, have proven quite conclusively that you are utterly deluded, and you have not refuted a word I have written.

    And that’s how it is. You confirm your delusion every time you repeat your false accusations against me and refuse to deal with the evidence I presented.

  173. That True Light
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    As we speak, the technology is pretty much already here to get everyone micro-chipped. They’ll most likely demand that it’s necessary because of the terrorists or something along those lines. It will be for our own safety etc.. that sort of thing.

    I wonder how far men will go in their denial of what’s coming upon the world?

    And you can bet your last dollar that the Christians are doing to be labeled the biggest fools on earth because of their knowing about these things. The bible will most likely be banned or something like that..

    The Christians hope is His appearing as the bright and morning star which appears before the day, that coming dreadful day of the LORD when the Dragon is cast down to the earth..

    Then it’s going to be hell on earth.. and the sad thing is that we can escape if we’re the ones who are alive and remain.. otherwise you’re going to be here for the great tribulation..

    If your convicted that these things are coming upon the world, and you want to escape.. simply call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

    Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    I wouldn’t wait another second. Seriously, I would be on my face prostrate before the LORD and asking Him to deliver me..

    You’ll find He is trustworthy, as every single born again believer has.

  174. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    As we speak, the technology is pretty much already here to get everyone micro-chipped. They’ll most likely demand that it’s necessary because of the terrorists or something along those lines. It will be for our own safety etc.. that sort of thing.

    Ha! Back in the 70s people thought Social Security numbers would be the mark of the beast. Then it was bar codes. Now it’s RFD chips. Your cult is totally delusional. It’s like a conspiracy theory on religious steroids.

  175. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    And you can bet your last dollar that the Christians are doing to be labeled the biggest fools on earth because of their knowing about these things. The bible will most likely be banned or something like that..

    Knowing about these things? Like when Christians “knew” that Christ would return in 1981 because 1948 + 40 – 7 = 1981? LOL

    Or that they “knew” he’d be coming in 2000 because 1967 + 40 – 7 = 2000?

    Or that they “knew” that the “Bible guaranteed” that the Rapture would happen on May 21, 2011?

    Etc., etc., etc. Your religion began as a failed doomsday cult and nothing has changed in 2000 years.

    So what exactly do you mean when you say Jesus is coming “soon”? Should we expect to wait another 2000 years?

    Madness. Delusion. Insanity. That is the fruit of your religion.

  176. Posted December 18, 2015 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    You’ll find He is trustworthy, as every single born again believer has.

    Oh really? Please name one demonstrable thing that anyone could “trust” God to actually do for them. Just one.

  177. MichaelFree
    Posted December 18, 2015 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    The truth is trustworthy:

    Fact: doing violence to non-violent people is evil.
    Fact: the Christian God is said to do violence to non-violent non-Christians.
    Fact: the Christian God is evil.

    Non-violent non-Christians who follow the truth and that have integrity and true love for non-violence would never bow to a violent God, and we are justified in truth.

  178. Posted December 18, 2015 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    The truth is trustworthy:

    Fact: doing violence to non-violent people is evil.
    Fact: the Christian God is said to do violence to non-violent non-Christians.
    Fact: the Christian God is evil.

    Non-violent non-Christians who follow the truth and that have integrity and true love for non-violence would never bow to a violent God, and we are justified in truth.

    Word.

  179. Glenn Galata
    Posted April 14, 2016 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Hello Richard,

    I would like to say that your Bible Wheel creation undertakings was a brilliant example of intellect and hard work at its core and for me personally, an example of something which could only have been created by someone who had the capacity to perform as a calling for a higher purpose.

    I believe that you are connected to something which cannot be conceptually explained in words and that your mathematical prowess was utilized as a substitute to deliver the messages which religion cannot make sense. of.

    I am grateful to who you are as a person and as a higher being. I do hope you understand who I am and implore you to consider your Bible Wheel creation as something bigger than just its interpretation to you.

  180. Posted April 16, 2016 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Hey there Glenn,

    Thanks for the good words and interesting questions. I have answered in a new post called Is there “something bigger” to the Bible Wheel? We can continue the conversation there.

    Richard

  181. Posted May 13, 2016 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard,

    I have been seeing the numbers 22, 33, and 44 many more times a day than statistically probable, and came to your website in search of what it might mean. Can I just say, I think the Bible Wheel you have constructed is brilliant – I myself write about the scriptures, and will be informed by your excellent findings.

    Please see here: http://www.secretbible.co.uk/jesus-is-a-loaf-of-bread-why-biblical-literalism-makes-no-sense/

    I see you have grown disillusioned with Christianity – the same thing happened to me, and I spent many years in my youth as an atheist as a result. In my early twenties, I had a number of mystical experiences which completely challenged my rational/materialistic worldview, and was led to reading the scriptures myself to see what they actually had to say. I still disavow mainstream Christianity – I think the main reason is that the Bible is a book about spirituality, and is meant to be read spiritually, rather than literally. Israel, Egypt, the jews, and even death, the lake of fire, and satan are all metaphors. The Bible is its own dictionary, and you discover what these things mean by searching for them within the bible itself, and also looking at the original hebrew word. Perhaps your misgivings are with the mainstream, literal interpretation of the scripture more than anything else. For example, as a woman, I took exception to the passages commanding women to be subordinate to men – this was until I discovered that the early Christians including the Gnostics and the Essenes used ‘woman’ to signify both the created, material world (i.e. the earth becomes impregnanted, and gives birth to organic life) and ‘man’ to signify ‘Christ’ or divine man. The woman is also used as a metaphor for wisdom, and for the church. Hence, understanding the figurative elements at work, we can see that the injunction for wives to be subordinate to husbands refers to making decisions based on divine principles, rather than earthly, carnal ones. There are many biblical passages which support this:

    Another parable He spoke to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
    Matthew 13:33

    Both ‘taking’ and ‘hiding’ are not good things – understanding that ‘the woman’ Christ is referring to is the church – or religion – gives a new dimension.

    Listen to “Woman Wisdom”
    Wisdom shouts in the street;in the public square she raises her voice.
    Proverbs 1:20

    Galatians 4:26 ESV
    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

    Read Proverbs 31 with the ‘Mother’ as jerusalem (higher wisdom) and the ‘wife’ as the church/organised religion; https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+31

    Death is also used metaphorically in the bible to describe both spiritual sleep, and separation. The notion of first borns and second borns, with one usually being killed, is a motif which runs throughout the scriptures – the implication again being carnal man (adam) vs. Spiritual man (christ). Hence the story of Esau (meaning ‘hairy’, hence, carnal man) and Jacob (‘supplanter’) who later became ISRAEL (‘May God prevail. He struggles with God. God perseveres; contends’). The scriptures reveal the jews were symbolic of spiritual initiation:

    Romans 2:28-29
    For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

    Galatians 3:28 ESV
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Egypt itself is symbolic – as revealed in the Book of Revelation:

    Revelation 11:8
    And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    You also mentioned that other mystic books have numerical patterns – but I don’t see why these books can’t be called divinely inspired either. By the way, the number 19 is a karmic number, I believe. The Bible says there is only one God, but it doesn’t specify what name, form, or cultural conception God takes. In the Bible alone, God is described as: rock, love, clouds, fire (bringing a new meaning to the ‘lake of fire’ concept, light, etc. Ezekiel’s psychedelic vision of God describes a very bizarre four faced creature. It would seem that God is quite the shapeshifter, appearing in different ways to different people.

    You have talked about unanswered prayers and have doubted the notion of a God who allows suffering. You said that our suffering is diminished not by God, but by man healing himself.

    Bingo!

    We are supposed to heal ourselves, and others – Christ was a healer. He also taught that suffering is a necessary part of the path to enlightenment. Why? Because suffering robs us of our illusions.

    Watch this, and you may begin to see the scriptures – and your own findings – in a new light: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vd0FQ2V6xw

    ‘The world is full of sorrow, the root of sorrow is desire. The uprooting of sorrow is desirelessness…’

  182. Posted May 13, 2016 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard,

    I have been seeing the numbers 22, 33, and 44 many more times a day than statistically probable, and came to your website in search of what it might mean. Can I just say, I think the Bible Wheel you have constructed is brilliant – I myself write about the scriptures, and will be informed by your excellent findings.

    Please see here: http://www.secretbible.co.uk/jesus-is-a-loaf-of-bread-why-biblical-literalism-makes-no-sense/

    Good morning Suzi,

    It is good to meet you. Thanks for the good word. I don’t have much time right now since I gotta get to work, but just wanted to get the conversation going by letting you know that I appreciate a non-literal approach to the Bible. I think a lot that is taken as literal by modern fundamentalists was intended as metaphor and allegory by the original writers. The Bible is a tremendously valuable book when for what it really is rather than as the “Word of God” because it reveals so much about the human psyche.

    As for the your sense about the “statistical frequency” of numbers like 22, 33, and 44 – I think you have fallen subject to a very common illusion known as confirmation bias. Once you begin noticing something like that your mind picks them out and count the hits and ignore the misses. So you really have no proper sense of the “statistics” at all.

    Well, gotta get to work.

    Richard

    I see you have grown disillusioned with Christianity – the same thing happened to me, and I spent many years in my youth as an atheist as a result. In my early twenties, I had a number of mystical experiences which completely challenged my rational/materialistic worldview, and was led to reading the scriptures myself to see what they actually had to say. I still disavow mainstream Christianity – I think the main reason is that the Bible is a book about spirituality, and is meant to be read spiritually, rather than literally. Israel, Egypt, the jews, and even death, the lake of fire, and satan are all metaphors. The Bible is its own dictionary, and you discover what these things mean by searching for them within the bible itself, and also looking at the original hebrew word. Perhaps your misgivings are with the mainstream, literal interpretation of the scripture more than anything else. For example, as a woman, I took exception to the passages commanding women to be subordinate to men – this was until I discovered that the early Christians including the Gnostics and the Essenes used ‘woman’ to signify both the created, material world (i.e. the earth becomes impregnanted, and gives birth to organic life) and ‘man’ to signify ‘Christ’ or divine man. The woman is also used as a metaphor for wisdom, and for the church. Hence, understanding the figurative elements at work, we can see that the injunction for wives to be subordinate to husbands refers to making decisions based on divine principles, rather than earthly, carnal ones. There are many biblical passages which support this:

  183. Eve Wallis
    Posted August 26, 2016 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Dear Richard, I came upon your page because I had a dream about the number 21. I am a believer in Christ. I’m just writing to encourage you to get in touch with Dean Braxton,a former fellow Washingtonian, who died for almost 2 hours, went to heaven and returned to tell. That’s all. Blessings to you!

  184. lynn pabon
    Posted November 3, 2016 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Ive read numerous articles anf i agree with you 100%.
    Trust in God with no certainty or guarantee that he can be trusted. Trust with no result.
    Ive argued that in order to trust someone, you need to prove you can be trusted.

    But this does nothing. Believe without works. Which is funny because jesus said believe for my works–John 10:38. Lol the best example i can come up with if God loves thrn why make the bible hard to understand? Shouldnt this loving god make the bible easy to interpret for all to understand so salvatiin can be obtained. IF god does exist, there’s only two explanations:

    1. He doent really care about us. We have to figure it out on our own.
    2 Hes a tyrant and a deciever.

    Theres really no way to put it.

    The JOB scirpture is the worse. Trust the one who destroys your family your possessions?

    I think you should have included the scripture where God says to Job: Who are you to question my authority?

    Its there too. Basically because you’re human, you’re a piece of garbage.

    I refuse to trust anyone especially a god who even one time doesnt come through.

  185. Posted November 6, 2016 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Very interesting points Lynn. Thanks.

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