Why I Quit Christianity: Part 2

I posted my first article Why I Quit Christianity on August 8, 2011, after nearly two decades as a convinced Bible believing Christian. A lot has happened since then and the comment stream under that post is full with over 350 comments, so it seemed like a good time to repost it. It is particularly relevant now because I have finally found an answer to the questions I posed at the end of the article:

In my next post, I will begin reviewing the Bible Wheel book to see what it looks like without my “blinders” on. I am very curious because as far as I know, all the evidence for the apparently “supernatural” design in the Bible remains true. This is the great mystery that now confronts me. The evidence for the Bible Wheel remains despite the obvious flaws in the Bible. So what does it mean? I don’t know yet, and before trying to come to a conclusion, I feel a need to critique my own book with the same honesty I have critiqued the Bible upon which it is based.

As it turns out, most of the “evidence” for the Bible Wheel was nothing but a massive collection of cherry picked “coincidences” that supported my preconceived conclusion of design. It is a textbook case of “confirmation bias.” This is the topic of my following article called Debunking Myself: What A Long Strange Trip It’s Been. Here now is my old article “Why I Quit Christianity”:


Since I began this website back in 2001, and during most of the decade that followed, I identified myself as a “Bible-believing Christian” in no uncertain terms. For example, here is how I described myself in my old FAQ (which remains on the old version of my site for historical purposes):

Are you a Christian? Protestant? Catholic?
Praise God, I am a man saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesian 2:8). I am a non-denominational blood-bought Bible-believing Trinitarian Christian. I believe that the true “faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3) is well stated in the early creeds of the church that Christ founded.

Likewise, here is my testimony about the purpose of my website on the old homepage:

To this end I labour, to glorify the Triune God; to glorify the Father Almighty, Creator of all, to glorify His Son Jesus Christ my Saviour and Hope, and to glorify the Giver of all divine gifts, my Comforter, Guide, Teacher and Friend, God the Holy Spirit. To You be the glory, thrice holy blessed God of Eternity! To You be the glory, now and forevermore. Amen. Amen. Amen.

And here are the thanks I gave to Christ on my old About page:

I remain eternally grateful to my Lord Jesus Christ, the King of the Universe, for shedding His Light upon me and guiding my path – usually without my knowledge – and giving me both the burning desire and the ability to proclaim the neverending wonders of His Holy Word. Oh! The wonders of His Grace! Had He left me to myself, doubtless I’d be dead or wandering aimless and lost through this dark world. Thank you, my Lord!

So, that’s where I was at for most of the last couple decades. How then is it possible that I now reject the faith I once believed with such passion? What changed? The answer is really pretty simple. I was “blinded” by the light I saw in the Bible. Anyone who has entered in to the Bible with believing eyes knows how it can capture the soul. It feels alive. It touches chords that resonate down into the deepest parts of ourselves. It seems to be filled with light everywhere you look: the Gospel message shines with its numinous symbolic elements like the Alpha Omega, the Cross, the Dove, the Death and Resurrection of Christ, and on and on it goes. Who wouldn’t want to believe such a story? Indeed, the believer wonders how anyone could resist such an amazing Gospel message. And beyond all that, I had the overwhelming witness of the Bible Wheel which seemed to confirm everything about the Bible as the very Word of God. All these things blinded me to the “dark side” of the Bible. I simply “overlooked” all the problematic passages, errors, contradictions, and moral abominations that didn’t fit with the amazingly glorious, and blinding, vision of the Bible as “God’s Word.”

So here are three of the primary issues that conspired to finally convince me that the traditional Christian faith is not true:

1) The Doctrine of Hell
I cannot conceive of a good God who would design an eternal evil in which souls suffer eternal conscious torment. This is a central doctrine accepted by the vast majority of Christians. It always bothered me throughout my time as a Christian, but I put it on the “back burner” and didn’t think about it much.

2) The Bible contains many errors, contradictions, logical absurdities, and moral abominations attributed to God.
This point covers a very large class of problems. Many recent threads on my forum deal with them. The most significant to me are the moral abominations attributed to God, such as his command to kill all the men, women, and children of people in Canaan.

3) God does not, as a general rule, answer prayers.
This fact seems incontrovertible and it directly contradicts the central promises of the Bible. It was the “final straw” for me. It has nothing to with any personal prayers that were not answered. The problem is that the promises in the Bible simply are not true.

There were many other issues, such as the general corruption of institutional Christianity (as witnessed by the ongoing cover-up of Ergun Caner’s decade of lies) and the general gullibility and anti-intellectualism of Christians (as witnessed by Harold Camping predicting the end of the world on May 21, 2011 and being given $81,000,000 by his brain-dead followers even after his previous failed date), but this is a pretty good overview. I would be delighted to discuss these points in detail with anyone interested.

In my next post, I will begin reviewing the Bible Wheel book to see what it looks like without my “blinders” on. I am very curious because as far as I know, all the evidence for the apparently “supernatural” design in the Bible remains true. This is the great mystery that now confronts me. The evidence for the Bible Wheel remains despite the obvious flaws in the Bible. So what does it mean? I don’t know yet, and before trying to come to a conclusion, I feel a need to critique my own book with the same honesty I have critiqued the Bible upon which it is based.

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217 Comments

  1. Reine Gnade
    Posted September 22, 2014 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Greetings Richard!

    The holy Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19).

    Christians do not reject the faith and deny Christ!
    Richard, your actions are proof that you were never redeemed. You wrote as if you believed you were born again, but you were not.
    The God of the holy Bible is the only person who can save. Seek Him eagerly and you will be blessed!

  2. Reine Gnade
    Posted September 23, 2014 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Greetings Richard!

    What prayer does God answer?
    God answers prayers that line up with His will.

    For example, it’s God’s will for man to pray the words in Mathew 6:9-13.

    When we do this wholeheartedly, He will answer our heart’s prayer so that we can truly hallow His name.

  3. Reine Gnade
    Posted September 23, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Richard, your current understanding of the God of the Bible is flawed!

    The more I read what you write, the more I realise that you “miss the vital point” that God’s thoughts are higher than ours.

    You also think very mistakenly that His morals are lower than ours.

    Do you really think that the person who weaved you together in your mother’s womb is less intelligent than you?

    Do you really believe that your morals are higher than those He has?

    Richard, once upon you wrote at times sensibly, even though you were not born again.

    Once upon a time you were a keen explorer for truth, but even then you didn’t come into a living intimate relationship with the LORD.

    In my opinion, salvation is still possible for you and Rose but it will not happen if you both keep on your present course which is harming rather than helping your spiritual development.

    So what must change? You and Rose must acknowledge that you have gone astray!

    You both must both acknowledge that you need the good Shepherd to teach you!

    You must acknowledge that He is the truth and that your understanding of truth is lacking.

    It’s a tough challenge, but you can both say “Yes” to recognising that Christ has words of life.

    Desire to put your trust wholeheartedly in Him, for He can bring broken and contrite sinners home to the home of holiness.

  4. Tim Griffioen
    Posted September 23, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Richard, I have seen your site before but was unaware that you had given up on Christianity. As a matter of fact, I wasn’t even looking for your site tonight (sorry), but maybe we were meant to meet.
    You must get a lot of heat about having given up on Christianity.
    I have questions too. As a matter of fact, I have problems with the doctrine of hell. Again, by coincidence, not looking for it, I came across some stuff written by Herbert W. Armstrong just last night. . I don’t necessarily agree with all that he writes but he is extremely logical (well not any more, he’s deceased). He puts forward an argument that hell is NOT eternal punishment. Peter Bluer (who I think you know of) also does not believe in eternal punishment. I don’t have an opinion yet, but I have a whole list of verses (from Mr. Armstrong) that I am going to be looking over.
    Like I said, I have question too. I am a family physician and have a background in science. I don’t believe the earth is young. I don’t believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth just 6000 years ago. If they did, WE would be extinct. It’s easy to get over the idea that the word ‘day’ in Genesis 1 can easily mean a ‘period of time’. But even then, there are difficulties that simply do not make sense with the rest of the creation account. For instance: how could plant life survive, being created on ‘day 3′ if the sun wasn’t created until ‘day 4′. I never stopped believing that the Bible was the Word of God, but I was quite perturbed by Genesis 1. I made a rather bold prayer 2-3 years ago. I asked God if He would help me to understand Genesis 1. I read and reread Gen1 over and over. No go. In the past 6-9 months however, some thoughts came into my head while I was read about it while I was reading my astronomy magazine. For the first time in my life I have an understanding of Genesis 1 that I am completely happy with AND it fits with what scientists are saying (or visa versa). I have written a short explanation of this which I would be more than happy to send to you as an e-mail if you are interested. (Just send me a short e-mail and I will send it as an attachment).
    The Bible is not always clear. There do appear to be contradictions or things that are illogical. First of all, sometimes there are answers that can be found. But who are we to expect that we should be able to understand them all easily. After all, God is God, and we are just clay. Secondly, God has secrets. The Bible even says, “The secret of the LORD is with them that fear Him”. There are other verses also that make it quite clear that God has secrets. Even when Jesus was on earth, his disciples often didn’t understand what He was trying to tell them. Toward the end they said to Him, “finally you are speaking in plain language that we can understand”.
    I also find it disturbing and difficult to understand why God commanded the Israelites to wipe out all the nations of Canaan. I don’t have an answer. About a year ago I started making a list of things that I didn’t understand from the Bible. I have asked God, if it would please Him, to help me understand. I am totally blown away by what thoughts God has put in my head to give me clearer understanding.
    I’m even a little blown away right now actually. I was not looking for your site. I was not looking for Mr. Armstrong’s site. I had no idea that I was going to be talking about this tonight, but just this afternoon I was saying the same thing to my wife; wondering why God seems to have made things less than 100% transparently clear. In thinking about it, I thought of 2 possible reasons. Both from Heb. 11:6. If God wanted to He could just come down and prove Himself to everyone. Done and done. But He wants to see our faith. The other thing is this. He wants to reward us…..for diligently seeking Him.
    There are several responses to not understanding something, and they all have to do with the level of faith that we show.
    1. “That doesn’t make sense….I quit”
    2. Sure that makes sense. (ie. denial)
    3. Well I don’t understand it, but the Bible says it, and that’s good enough for me. (Quite frankly, I don’t know what to call that, but that’s probably the most common).
    4. I don’t understand but I’m going to do my best with God’s help to find out.
    I checked back to your blog from a few years ago to see what you’re reasons were. You talked a bit about predestination and free will. Yes, all of creation including us, are, according to Colossians, essentially a figment of His imagination. And yet He created us with a free will. WOW. We obviously are going to have to accept that there are going to be some concepts that are beyond us. I saw a show years ago where they were discussing string theory. The one physicist said, “even if it’s true and we can describe it, doesn’t necessarily mean that we will be able to understand it any more than a chicken can understand calculus. We have equations, and the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics work and have been proven again and again, but nobody can really claim to understand them.
    How can we understand something for which we have nothing to relate it to in the world that we can experience with our senses? How can you explain light or sight to someone who was born completely blind?
    As far as predestination / free will is concerned: here’s my best shot: God made time. He is not restricted by. He is outside of time. He is existing in the past, present, and future all at once. Jesus said, “before Abraham was, “I AM”. Not “I WAS”. So we have free will, but He already sees what we are going to choose.
    I remember my high school calculus teacher discussing extra dimensions. He said we wouldn’t be able to understand it any more than a 2 dimensional person would understand how we as 3D people could make our presence known (even operate on his internal organs – erase them and redraw them) but yet without being able to see us. We could put one hand on the chalk board in front of him and one behind him. In his understanding of things, there would simply be no way that he could comprehend how we could be in 2 places at once.
    I heard a scientist once say wrt the ‘uncertainty principle’ of quantum mechanics that “even God wouldn’t know”. He clearly has no clue who and what God is. He does not exist within the dimensions of time and space. He created them, can make His presence known, can enter it, etc. but is not bound by them.
    As far as answered prayers is concerned, He does answer. I while ago, I started “collecting” lists of Bible verses as I read through the Bible that had to do with different topics. Prayer was one of the topics. I copied them from a web site, put them in order and went through them. Certain patterns seemed to pop out at me. I get answers to my prayers. Today I asked God to give me something to do for His Kingdom. Usually I’m expecting to be able to give out a Bible. That didn’t happen today. I think my answer to prayer today is talking to you.
    I am more than happy to continue this through e-mail if you are interested. I do NOT think that I have all the answers. I am hoping that I might have a few for you. If not, I would pray and ask God to show me if it was pleasing for Him to do so. Maybe we might even be able to figure some things out together.
    One thing I will not do is pressure you. This is your journey. God is not afraid of our questions. He may or may not always answer. He may not be able to answer some things because of our inability to comprehend on this side of eternity. God didn’t really give an answer to Job except to say, “even if I told you, you wouldn’t understand because you don’t even understand the simple things like how I created everything”. That is very paraphrased of course, but that in a nutshell was his answer to Job.
    Having said that however, according to Heb. 11:6, it seems that God pleases to reward those who diligently seek Him.
    Hoping to hear from you. I will be praying for you.
    Tim.

  5. Posted September 25, 2014 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    Hey there Reine,

    You said “The holy Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19).”

    If that’s true, then no one can know if they are are “real Christian” because no one knows whether or not they will reject their faith in the future. When I was a Christian, I said everything you would say about believing in Jesus. So if I was not a real Christian, then I have no reason to think you are a real Christian.

    Richard

    PS: You would do well to look up the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

  6. Posted September 25, 2014 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    Hey there Reine,

    You make many unfounded assertions.

    Richard, your current understanding of the God of the Bible is flawed!

    No it’s not.

    The more I read what you write, the more I realise that you “miss the vital point” that God’s thoughts are higher than ours.

    “Higher” does not mean “lower.” The “thoughts of God described in the Bible are not “higher” than mine or those of any good and sane person. On the contrary, the thoughts of God in the Bible are those of the primitive men that made them up. What sane ruler would murder 70,000 of his own citizens because the king he appointed conducted a census? That’s not just nuts – it’s grossly immoral. And what about God giving David Saul’s wives, and then taking them from him and giving them to his son Absolom to be raped on the roof top? Where is God’s love for those women? And what about his own teachings against incest? I could go on. The morality of the Biblegod is abominable.

    You also think very mistakenly that His morals are lower than ours.

    There is no mistake in my judgment. The morals of the Biblegod are abominable.

    Do you really think that the person who weaved you together in your mother’s womb is less intelligent than you?

    He didn’t form anyone in the womb. But if he did, then he is a true monster. Have you never seen the disfigured monstrosities he has created? Watch this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-nHw0_Fos

    Do you really believe that your morals are higher than those He has?

    Absolutely.

    Richard, once upon you wrote at times sensibly, even though you were not born again.

    Your idea of “sensible” is irrational. What you really mean is that I wrote like a “believer.” When I look at my old writings, I can see that I was caught up in a delusion.

    Once upon a time you were a keen explorer for truth, but even then you didn’t come into a living intimate relationship with the LORD.

    That’s because he doesn’t exist. You are simply deluded.

    So what must change? You and Rose must acknowledge that you have gone astray!

    You both must both acknowledge that you need the good Shepherd to teach you!

    You must acknowledge that He is the truth and that your understanding of truth is lacking.

    Been there, done that. I spent nearly twenty years “acknowledging” I had gone astray! This is why it’s so insane for you to tell me I wasn’t a Christian. If I wasn’t a Christian when I constantly repenting to God, praying every day, and believing God was real, and declaring that the Bible was God’s word, then it would be insane for me to think that I could become a Christian by doing those very things.

    Look what you have done. You have proven that your concept of faith is vanity. My former faith was as true as any faith has ever been. It would make sense if you exhorted me to RETURN to my faith, but to tell me I never had real faith in the first place means that there is NOTHING I could ever do to get it since I already did everything you are telling me to do.

  7. Posted September 25, 2014 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Hey there Tim,

    Thanks for you very interesting (and long) comments.

    I have questions too. As a matter of fact, I have problems with the doctrine of hell. Again, by coincidence, not looking for it, I came across some stuff written by Herbert W. Armstrong just last night. I don’t necessarily agree with all that he writes but he is extremely logical (well not any more, he’s deceased). He puts forward an argument that hell is NOT eternal punishment.

    I’ve never been impressed in the least by Herbert W. Armstrong. He’s always struck me as just another cult leader. That doesn’t mean he was wrong about hell – but if he was correct there is no need to appeal to anything he wrote. The question depends entirely upon your own interpretation of the Bible. But I see no value in such interpretations because the Bible is so ambiguous no one can agree about what it actually means. The most fervent “Bible believers” think other equally fervent “Bible believers” are heretics destined for hell (or annihilation, or whatever their peculiar interpretation may be).

    One of the reasons I quit Christianity is because there is no such thing as “Christianity” but rather a confused and incoherent mass of “Christianities” that believers either make up for themselves or accept from others. It would have been easy for me to invent my own interpretations just like everyone else. And that’s when I realized that it obviously doesn’t matter what anyone believes about such things. They are all made up. If there were a god who inspired the Bible, he’s too confused to be believed.

    For the first time in my life I have an understanding of Genesis 1 that I am completely happy with AND it fits with what scientists are saying (or visa versa). I have written a short explanation of this which I would be more than happy to send to you as an e-mail if you are interested. (Just send me a short e-mail and I will send it as an attachment).

    You can send it to richard@biblewheel.com

    The Bible is not always clear. There do appear to be contradictions or things that are illogical. First of all, sometimes there are answers that can be found. But who are we to expect that we should be able to understand them all easily. After all, God is God, and we are just clay.

    The problem is not that the Bible is over our heads like some super-advanced textbook on Quantum Physics. The problem is that it is so far below the moral and intellectual standards of any normal citizen of the 21st century. If God inspired it, why did he make it look like any other book written by ignorant people with primitive morals? Why did he present himself as an irrational moral monster?

    Secondly, God has secrets.

    It’s fine if God has secrets. That would not be a problem for me. But it doesn’t help because I see no reason to think those “secrets” would resolve the problems with the plain things written in the Bible.

    I also find it disturbing and difficult to understand why God commanded the Israelites to wipe out all the nations of Canaan.

    There are many problems like that. Why would God slaughter 70,000 Israelites in response to David taking a census that was never prohibited. Why would God take Saul’s wives, give them to David, then take them from him and give them to his son to be raped on the rooftop? Why would God allow Moses to command that all the males be killed, but 32,000 virgins be taken as “war booty”? And on and on it goes. The God portrayed in the Bible is an irrational moral monster.

    But He wants to see our faith. The other thing is this. He wants to reward us…..for diligently seeking Him.

    Why would God want to see people believing things that they have no reason to believe? Doesn’t he understand that that would cause people to be easily deceived? All cults teach you must have “faith.” Why would God design his religion upon the pattern of the cults?

    And yet He created us with a free will. WOW. We obviously are going to have to accept that there are going to be some concepts that are beyond us.

    “Free will” is not something that can be “created.” And besides, God doesn’t have free will because there never was a time he didn’t know what he was going to do, so he never had an opportunity to make any choices. What then determined what God is and what God does?

    How can we understand something for which we have nothing to relate it to in the world that we can experience with our senses? How can you explain light or sight to someone who was born completely blind?

    The problem with the Bible is not what we don’t understand. The problem is with what we do understand. It is filled with sexism, violence, absurdities, primitive mythologies, and moral abominations attributed to God.

    As far as predestination / free will is concerned: here’s my best shot: God made time. He is not restricted by. He is outside of time.

    You comment makes no sense to me. If God was “outside of time” then he could not “do” anything because all actions entail time. He could not create time.

    I remember my high school calculus teacher discussing extra dimensions.

    I have degrees in mathematics and physics. I am very comfortable with higher dimensions. The flatland analogy is fine as far as it goes, but I really don’t see how it applies to the god of the Bible or the idea that god is “outside of time.”

    I heard a scientist once say wrt the ‘uncertainty principle’ of quantum mechanics that “even God wouldn’t know”. He clearly has no clue who and what God is.

    No one has a “clue” about God because he has chosen (assuming he exists) to remain in hiding. You have presented nothing but your own imaginations about God. I see no reason to think any god exists, especially a god with self-contradictory properties like being an “agent” who does things but is “outside of time.”

    He does not exist within the dimensions of time and space. He created them, can make His presence known, can enter it, etc. but is not bound by them.

    Your description is self-contradictory. It seems like you are imagining a god who is totally inside of time doing things like creating a universe. But that contradicts your assertion that he is outside of time.

    As far as answered prayers is concerned, He does answer.

    I believe that is a delusion. Watch the video in my post for an explanation. If you disagree, please explain why.

    I am more than happy to continue this through e-mail if you are interested. I do NOT think that I have all the answers. I am hoping that I might have a few for you. If not, I would pray and ask God to show me if it was pleasing for Him to do so. Maybe we might even be able to figure some things out together.

    I would prefer to chat here on my blog or on my forum so others can benefit.

    I don’t have all the answers either, and I’m glad for that. I’ve only recently been able to debunk the many “answers” I thought I had which are posted all over this site.

    One thing I will not do is pressure you. This is your journey.

    Don’t worry about that! I delight in challenges and plain talk. Give me your best shot!

    God is not afraid of our questions. He may or may not always answer. He may not be able to answer some things because of our inability to comprehend on this side of eternity.

    I have never seen a Christian give an answer that went anywhere near the limits of human understanding. On the contrary, the vast majority of “answers” Christians give are totally lame. Please don’t take offense. None is intended. I’m just letting you know what I really believe.

    God didn’t really give an answer to Job except to say, “even if I told you, you wouldn’t understand because you don’t even understand the simple things like how I created everything”. That is very paraphrased of course, but that in a nutshell was his answer to Job.

    And that answer was absurd, because the “god” that was being quoted said nothing that indicated he had any understanding of anything. And why not? Because the man who wrote Job was utterly ignorant of the nature of reality, which could have been no other way given the time in which he lived.

    Hoping to hear from you. I will be praying for you.
    Tim.

    I very much appreciate the conversation. If you want to pursue it, it may be better on my forum since the software allows for better formatting, easier reading, and such.

    Great chatting!

    Richard

  8. Reine Gnade
    Posted September 25, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Greetings Richard!
    The ability to pray is God’s gift to man! Man can use prayer to thank Him. If man rejects prayer he can’t live honorably before God, because God teaches that His house shall be a house of prayer.

    Prayerlessness is something to reject, because it falls short of glorifying God.
    Do all you can to resume praying to the LORD!

  9. Simon Miles
    Posted September 25, 2014 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    “Debunk” is such an awful word, as it always conveys disdain towards the object of study. As such it is completely unnecessary: if a thing can be disproved, then disprove it. Personal antipathy does not need to come into it, and indeed, it weakens the argument.

    Usually, it’s a “dog-whistle”, a signal to the like-minded that a hatchet job is in process.

    I can understand why you now want to “debunk” the Biblewheel: it is the thorn in the side of your rejection of Christianity. However: there is a major problem here. The Biblewheel is real.

    I anticipate that your “debunking” will take the following form: you will cite various tests you employed in your book which were intended to prove the truth of the Biblewheel, and you will now attempt to show how some of those tests do not provide the level of proof that you had claimed. For example, you will, I anticipate, show that some of the keyword frequency claims are not as robust as they could be, because they are performed on subsets of the Bible rather than the full book.

    But all such rhetorical maneuvres will fall short of their intended effect. All they will show is that some of your “proofs” are flawed. They will not, however, be able to show that the underlying conception of the Biblewheel is fatally weakened, because, in fact, your original discovery is perfectly true.

    The simple act of rolling the 66 books onto a 22 spoked wheel does, indeed, reveal a deep and cohesive structure to the entire Bible. Your book is an excellent, though certainly not perfect, defense of this proposition. Pointing out some of the imperfections in your original arguments will not touch the core argument.

    I will look forward very much to reading your proposed article, and to testing my claims above against your “debunking”.

    But there is something else. There is another element in this entire discussion about the Biblewheel which has, to date, remained publicly unknown.

    Suppose, just for a moment, that God is real and the Bible is His word. If this was the case, then He would know that the day would come when Richard would renounce his faith. Hence, He might have chosen to provide an independent witness to the reality of the Biblewheel so that any future “debunking” by Richard could be effectively countered. Indeed, one might go so far as to suggest that, if God is real, the Bible is His word, and the Biblewheel concept is genuine, then he must have done so.

    In fact, He did. The publication by Richard of his “debunking” will be the signal to begin to reveal the nature and details of this independent witness to the world.

  10. Posted September 26, 2014 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    If you say the evidence was cherry picked – i don’t think that’s the case. It should probably seen as inaccurate or not sufficient. Let’s say you search an online database the word “give”, it wouldn’t bring an accurate result because it doesn’t search “given” and whatever is derived from the root of “give”. So statistics is hard to prove in this case.

    But my persuasion is not on searching 2 or 3 words within a verse but rather take a chapter or book and compare it to another book or chapter on the same Spoke.

    My next challenge is to find at least 3 or more books/chapters/alphabetic verses that have an identical theme. There are.

    But looking into these things we learn to relate things or compare things, as a result it’s a wonderful bible study because it would give us the understanding and ability to properly interpret apply the bible in our lives.

    The significance of numbers not only touches the order of books and chapters and alphabetic verses, but also the numbers within the text. So don’t be surprised if a word or group of words seem to appear out of its’ Spoke. Or it could also have to do with the innerwheel of the set such as the 12 minor prophets books.

    I was wondering why Zechariah talked about the 2 anointed ones in chapter 4 which relates to Revelation 11, since Zechariah is on spoke 16. But in the group of minor prophets it is the 11th book. It makes sense, also because 11 and 16 had certain words like “build” and “scatter” in common such as found in Genesis 11.

  11. Posted September 26, 2014 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    “Debunk” is such an awful word, as it always conveys disdain towards the object of study. As such it is completely unnecessary: if a thing can be disproved, then disprove it. Personal antipathy does not need to come into it, and indeed, it weakens the argument.

    Hey there Simon,

    It is good to hear from you. It’s been quite a while since we’ve talked.

    I understand where you are coming from, since you are committed to the truth of the Bible Wheel as having been “confirmed” through your work with crop circles and numerology. So you “have a dog in this fight” as they say.

    I really hope we can have a good discussion. In the past, we fell into a very bitter exchange with name calling and much irrationality. I hope we can avoid that this time. I think we both have much to gain in a principled, thoughtful conversation.

    Usually, it’s a “dog-whistle”, a signal to the like-minded that a hatchet job is in process.

    Well, since I haven’t written the article yet, it seems a tad premature for you to be leaping to such conclusions. If anything, it looks like a “dog whistle” to call you to begin attacking my unwritten article as a “hatchet job.” You have no justification for such an implication.

    I anticipate that your “debunking” will take the following form: you will cite various tests you employed in your book which were intended to prove the truth of the Biblewheel, and you will now attempt to show how some of those tests do not provide the level of proof that you had claimed. For example, you will, I anticipate, show that some of the keyword frequency claims are not as robust as they could be, because they are performed on subsets of the Bible rather than the full book.

    Hummm … either you’re a very good guesser, or you have been reading my forum. I posted an analysis like that about a month ago in this post in the thread The Bible Wheel, Numerology, and Cognitive Bias.

    But that’s not the only error I found in my claims concerning the Bible Wheel. There are indeed some intriguing coincidences. The error was in claiming that those coincidences proved design. There is no evidence of that.

    But all such rhetorical maneuvres will fall short of their intended effect. All they will show is that some of your “proofs” are flawed. They will not, however, be able to show that the underlying conception of the Biblewheel is fatally weakened, because, in fact, your original discovery is perfectly true.

    “Rhetorical maneuvres”? There is no “rhetoric” involved in showing that my claims were flawed.

    As for the “underlying conception of the Bible Wheel” – the flaw is the assertion that there is a grand unifying pattern. That is not true. For example, the book of Colossians aligns with Joel. Where’s the “grand unity” in that? Or the alignment of 1 Thessalonians with Ruth. Are you saying that God designed it that way? Where’s the “unity”? I don’t see it.

    The simple act of rolling the 66 books onto a 22 spoked wheel does, indeed, reveal a deep and cohesive structure to the entire Bible. Your book is an excellent, though certainly not perfect, defense of this proposition. Pointing out some of the imperfections in your original arguments will not touch the core argument.

    The “core argument” is false. There are many interesting coincidences, but nothing like a “deep and cohesive structure” that encompasses all 66 books. I spent 15 years cherry picking every connection I could find. The result is about what one would expect from random chance. For example, I examined all 480 alphabetically structured passages and found that only 4.5% were uniquely connected with their corresponding spokes. And most of those connections were connected with things that contradicted the “deeply cohesive structure” of the wheel.

    I will look forward very much to reading your proposed article, and to testing my claims above against your “debunking”.

    As do I!

    But there is something else. There is another element in this entire discussion about the Biblewheel which has, to date, remained publicly unknown.

    Suppose, just for a moment, that God is real and the Bible is His word. If this was the case, then He would know that the day would come when Richard would renounce his faith. Hence, He might have chosen to provide an independent witness to the reality of the Biblewheel so that any future “debunking” by Richard could be effectively countered. Indeed, one might go so far as to suggest that, if God is real, the Bible is His word, and the Biblewheel concept is genuine, then he must have done so.

    In fact, He did. The publication by Richard of his “debunking” will be the signal to begin to reveal the nature and details of this independent witness to the world.

    It looks like we are going to have a very interesting conversation. I’m really glad you wrote.

    Richard

  12. Posted September 26, 2014 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    If you say the evidence was cherry picked – i don’t think that’s the case. It should probably seen as inaccurate or not sufficient. Let’s say you search an online database the word “give”, it wouldn’t bring an accurate result because it doesn’t search “given” and whatever is derived from the root of “give”. So statistics is hard to prove in this case.

    Hey there Greg,

    The statistics are not “hard to prove.” It is very simple and straightforward to prove that the words of the Bible are not distributed in the pattern of the Bible Wheel. I searched and searched for many years to find distributions that were maximized on individual spokes. My idea was that this would give statistical proof of the Bible Wheel. After many years, I found only about 45 that fit the pattern I was looking for. You can see them on my old Word Distributions page. There are many thousands of possible word distributions in the Bible, and only 45 that fit the pattern. So that’s statistical proof that the words of the Bible were not designed on the pattern of the Bible Wheel.

    As for cherry picking – that’s exactly what you are doing. I know, because that’s what I did for many years. I would scan the Bible for any “hits” and ignore all the misses. What is the ratio of hits to misses? Off the top of my head, I would guess it’s at least a hundred to one, and more likely a thousand to one. Therefore, any claim of “design” based on such “hits” is the definition of cherry picking. Data is accepted as significant only if it confirms the pattern you are looking for. That’s the definition of confirmation bias. These kinds of cognitive errors is what creates the illusion of design.

    But my persuasion is not on searching 2 or 3 words within a verse but rather take a chapter or book and compare it to another book or chapter on the same Spoke.

    And what is your method to discern between random chance and design? You have none? Why then would you think any of it is significant?

    My next challenge is to find at least 3 or more books/chapters/alphabetic verses that have an identical theme. There are.

    There might be a few here or there, but that’s what we would expect from random chance.

    But looking into these things we learn to relate things or compare things, as a result it’s a wonderful bible study because it would give us the understanding and ability to properly interpret apply the bible in our lives.

    I agree. The Bible Wheel is a wonderful study tool for believers. But I wouldn’t have any confidence that it would help anyone “properly interpret the Bible” since they will just make the Bible Wheel fit their beliefs, not vice-versa.

    The significance of numbers not only touches the order of books and chapters and alphabetic verses, but also the numbers within the text. So don’t be surprised if a word or group of words seem to appear out of its’ Spoke. Or it could also have to do with the innerwheel of the set such as the 12 minor prophets books.

    And how do you tell if it was just a coincidence, or something with meaning “designed by God”? You can’t. So it’s all subjective, just like all numerology.

    I was wondering why Zechariah talked about the 2 anointed ones in chapter 4 which relates to Revelation 11, since Zechariah is on spoke 16. But in the group of minor prophets it is the 11th book. It makes sense, also because 11 and 16 had certain words like “build” and “scatter” in common such as found in Genesis 11.

    Those are connections that I would have found interesting when I was a believer. But not any more. When you allow yourself to make whatever connections are needed to “make sense” of something like the Bible Wheel, there is no way for you to discern between “real patterns” and those you made up in your effort to make “make sense” of it all. I’ve seen this happen to believers all the time. They get into some “pattern” – whether it’s astrology, numerology, the Bible Code (ELS), predicting the date of the rapture, the Bible Wheel, or whatever.

    Great chatting,

    Richard

  13. Posted September 29, 2014 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    I don’t think our way of looking statistics is accurate because when you check you look at the word distribution in books or chapters. But the numerical patterns show more than that. They also show the numbers within the text. So let’s say “pass over” falls somewhere outside of the 14th Spoke it’s because somewhere in the text the “fourteenth day” is mentioned. Ok let me give a good example:

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=36&t=KJV

    The “fourteenth year” of Hezekiah falls within 2 chapters. It’s not what we usually anticipate but still there are patterns.

    The ones that got my attention I’m willing to share it with you, but I have to find my blog pages:

    Comparing the 9th book 1Samuel 1 with the 9th chapter of 1Samuel shows a similiar manner of introduction of 2 key figures of the book:

    http://gilgalsbiblewheel.blogspot.ca/2013/11/1samuel-9.html

    So I ask, “if the 9th book is related to the 9th chapter of the 9th book, what about the 8th chapter of 1Samuel? Is it related to the 8th book Ruth?” And the answer is “yes”:

    http://gilgalsbiblewheel.blogspot.ca/2013/11/1samuel-8.html

    And there’s more:
    The 24th book Jeremiah and the 24th chapter of Jeremiah are related.

    In Acts 22 Paul summarizes his journey (Acts being on the 22nd Spoke).

    But I’m not looking at individual words rather highlighting words and phrases that 2 or more texts share.

  14. Dan
    Posted September 29, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Hi richard,
    I’ve been using your site for references on hebrew meanings and gemetria. It’s really helpful thank you for being a blessing. I’ve Just read all the confusions that is ongoing on the thread about why you quit. I pray that the veil of darkness be remove from your mind in the name of Jesus!
    I strongly recommend “Pastor Joseph Prince” to be in your search/study list.

    Shalom bro,
    Dan

  15. Posted September 29, 2014 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    I thought I should add a few words. It’s true. In some cases i do feel that I’m cherry picking. But it would come to my conscience. But on the other hand I do see more patterns which made me change directions of how i do research. Many times I’ve come to a point where I’ve felt burnt out and felt that it’s a waste of time. But then when I pray and ask for guidance I would see further patterns.

    Concerning the research of individual words led me at times to do a search of the Hebrew and found out they’re different. That makes me backtrack and drop that type of research and take a different direction.

    But let’s say you search a word, you look at the Hebrew and form some statistics. I think this insufficient because you leave out the Greek and other tongues, for example the book of Daniel. So I find statistics have a flaw.

    This is why I focus primarily by comparing texts and when necessary going to the original tongues afterwards.

  16. Posted September 30, 2014 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Hi richard,
    I’ve been using your site for references on hebrew meanings and gemetria. It’s really helpful thank you for being a blessing. I’ve Just read all the confusions that is ongoing on the thread about why you quit. I pray that the veil of darkness be remove from your mind in the name of Jesus!
    I strongly recommend “Pastor Joseph Prince” to be in your search/study list.

    Shalom bro,
    Dan

    Dan,

    What “confusions” are you talking about? If you think I am confused about something, it would be helpful if you explained what.

    As for “Pastor Joseph Prince” – why would you recommend I go learn from a man? Am I not a man? Maybe he should come and learn from me. Why do you believe him and not me? Because he says what you want to hear. That’s called confirmation bias. It is irrational. It is the root source of most delusions. I know, because I deceived myself for many years with things like confirmation bias and cherry picking. That’s why I believed gematria and the Bible Wheel.

    All the best,

    Richard

  17. Bosko
    Posted October 2, 2014 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Dear Richard,

    maybe this would help:
    1. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEFC186CD9395CEFD
    2. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD600CBC5F8A02DF0

    Shalom all the best on your journey to truth.
    Bosko

  18. Posted October 3, 2014 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Dear Richard,

    maybe this would help:
    1. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEFC186CD9395CEFD
    2. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD600CBC5F8A02DF0

    Shalom all the best on your journey to truth.
    Bosko

    Hi Bosko,

    Thanks for the suggestion, but I consider Michael Rood to be one of the most blatantly absurd charlatan clown preachers out there. He was a leader in the Way International cult for many years, and then decided to make up his own ludicrous religion. He predicted the “Day of the Lord” would happen back in the year 2000! Why would you believe a word he said?

    Here’s some info that might help:
    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/687-michael-rood
    http://www.isitso.org/guide/rood.html

  19. Posted October 11, 2014 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    11 October 2014 “Why I quit Christianity: Part 2″ By R.A. McGough

    Well now, McGough that’s Irish or Mc could be a Scottsman, yes? Let me pour you a two finger drink and get on with my reason for ‘posting’ my two cents.

    I have a Maters degree myself which has often been my Achilles heel to date but I’m human and subject to making mistakes and I can’t allow a fellow human to throw in the ‘white towel’ on this business involving the bible. I enjoyed your threads and noticed you are giving and never receiving for your time, knowledge and love of the bible. I am willing to bet you are burned out? Take a break.

    I don’t know how to preface what I’m about to say, so I will be blunt and say it. The Bible’s impact on each of us can be anything you want it to be. In hindsight, the Torah contained the ‘seeds’ that gave birth to the New Testament. It was emperor Ptolemy in 246 BC, who gathered 72 Torah sages sequestered into 72 separate rooms, each to produce a translation of the Torah into Greek! What language was the New Testament written into first? Greek.

    I am comfortable saying that the ‘jews’ (today they are known as the ‘Freemasons’) control religion; not your typical stereotype pretending to be a Jew who takes the Hollywood Torah script and acts out the parts in his or her daily life. You understand? I’m talking about a Freemason, square and compass you see waking, driving, or skipping by a Masonic lodge, yes that one. (If you all could draw a beautiful Star of David, with a pencil of course, then take the butt of that pencil and erase the 2 parallel lines and slap a consonant, namely the letter ‘G’ in the center of that Star you would have yourself the Masonic symbol that your forefathers would even recognize.

    Hopefully you took me up on that two finger drink I offered earlier… Our Bible is the Blue Print to our United States Constitution; there I said it. (The process of producing/making a diamond is applicable to the books and verses of the scripture) When you comprehend what I’ve just written, you will have a great appreciation for your country, your fellow citizen, and yourself.

    America was the Great Experiment; it’s up to each and every one of us to do our duty to up keep this country and if not for you, please do it for our children’s sake! Let me not talk your ‘ear’ off, less I forget how to restore it!

    Cheers

  20. Posted October 11, 2014 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Hi David,

    I’m not sure what to make of your comments. You touched upon many points that would require further elaboration to understand. I can see the connection between the masonic symbol (square and compass) and the Star of David, but I don’t see how that’s particularly relevant since the Star of David is a relatively recent symbol adopted by the Jews in the 18th century or so. Your assertion that the Bible is the “blueprint” of the constitution would also need elaboration. I understand, of course, that the founders were steeped in the Bible and biblical symbolism. E.g. they toyed with an image of Moses parting the Red Sea as the design of the the Great Seal. But again, that’s all just humans doing what humans do, i.e. make symbols to express their ideas. I don’t see any great significance in it.

    I don’t see what your comment has to to with my post about quitting Christianity. Did I miss something?

    If you would like to develop your ideas, I would invite you to register on my forum where the software is much better for such discussions. You could start your own thread on this topic.

    http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/

    Richard

  21. Posted October 13, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    13 (Columbus Day) October 2014 “Why I quit Christianity: Part 2″ By R.A. McGough
    (Columbus was a Jew; look into how his Children signed their signatures in order to part take in their fathers estate, was it the Star of Solomon? or the Star of David? Couldn’t be the Masonic Symbol because you have to earn that; it’s not hereditary like your Jewishness is on your mothers side)

    Hi Richard,

    It makes sense to start a forum regarding the points I touched upon while corresponding with your site, however I am not permitted to take that stance, I’m a bit limited in my actions.

    Should this be our last opportunity to chit chat, I wanted to secure in everybody’s mind that the Bible doesn’t belong to you all in Religion; you are given every constitutional right to voice your religious freedoms but they don’t bare any influence on the founding of America. We view you non-masons as ‘profane’, not to say you can’t change the disposition your in. I care not if you side with the ‘Thief’ on the left of Christ or the ‘Thief’ on the right side of Christ, the past and the future mirrored by regret and fear are not of my concern.

    Every aspect of the books of the Bible are being played out in our Government, today, yesterday, and tomorrow. Torah (blah, blah, blah) is the Legislative Branch (and a mirror of the Judicial Branch), while the Gospels of Christ are the Executive Branch, there I said it again… If ever there was a horrible Solar storm and us survivors had a bible in hand, I could write another constitution all over again!

    You quit Christianity, you haven’t even started! Acting out portions of scripture makes you nothing more than an ‘actor’ performing your part today. The book doesn’t belong to religion, never has; the safest resting place for your governance the Bible is that of the Public Domain. It’s genius on the part of our founding fathers.

    Christianity my fellow citizen is a good bedrock for society, so long as the Churches continue to instill morality, hope, family unity, etc. I will continue with my last breath to support and uphold your constitutional rights to religious freedom and if you want to pretend to be a Jew I’ll support you in your quest! Judaism and Christianity gave us all through the bible our freedoms! Smoke that my good Scotsman or would you prefer a drink of the sort?

    Cheers

  22. Tim
    Posted October 20, 2014 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    WOW! Very intriguing! In fact, there’s a lot of Christian ministries (especially Pentecostals) that are starting to drift in the direction of the “mystical” that you so diligently sought after. I find it fascinating.

    I only have a couple of Bible verses to share with you:

    “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ.” (2Cor 11:3)

    When you “debunked” your Bible Wheel, you didn’t debunk God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost … you just debunked your own, quantum-related wisdom of man.

    A man is not “saved” or “born-again” by proving, through man’s wisdom, knowledge or reasoning, the Word of God … but by receiving the forgiveness of sin through faith in the blood of Christ … which I see no “evidence” in your writings that you ever truly did.

    What I believe you DID experience, through all of your many mystical and mathematical musings, was an “angel of light” (deceiving demons) to draw you away into darkness.

    “The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” (Matt 6:22-23)

    So, really, I believe you were never truly “born again” (even though you “mouthed” it) … which means you still have an opportunity to come to the knowledge of the Lord’s saving grace. But one must come as a little child … humble and in an attitude of repentance towards sin … not in your own wisdom, “puffed up by your fleshly mind” (Col 2:18).

    Tim

  23. Posted October 20, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    A man is not “saved” or “born-again” by proving, through man’s wisdom, knowledge or reasoning, the Word of God … but by receiving the forgiveness of sin through faith in the blood of Christ … which I see no “evidence” in your writings that you ever truly did.

    Hey there Tim,

    What would constitute “evidence” that would convince you a person had actually been born again? How do you know that your own faith is real and not merely “mouthed”? How do I know that you are not merely an egotist who enjoys judging the faith of others according to your own “wisdom” about what constitutes salvation?

    Do you believe that all Christian apologists who form logical arguments to defend the Bible as God’s Word are therefore demonstrating that they are not saved?

    Richard

  24. Tim
    Posted October 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    Thank you for your question. My response is simple, but according to the faith which is in Christ Jesus. Since you are a mathematician, and therefore have an understanding of Analytical Geometry, I trust that you will read/ponder/study the following and not just “skim” over the material:

    “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:” (1John 5:1)

    You do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, therefore you are not “born of God”.

    “And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth… If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” (1John 5:6, 9-12)

    I believe the record that God gave of his Son, therefore I have the witness within myself that I am “born again”. You do not believe His record, therefore you do not have the “witness” within yourself that you have been “born again”, but rather, you have made God to be a “liar”.

    “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (John 4:2-3)

    I have the witness of the Spirit of God within myself because I believe in my heart that Jesus Christ is “come in the flesh”. You do not believe in your heart that Christ has “come in the flesh”, therefore you do not have (and never had) the Spirit of God come into your heart; but, rather, you have in your heart that spirit of antichrist which is “…the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:” (Ephesians 2:2)

    It all comes down to John 3: 3, 6-7:

    “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (i.e. understand) the kingdom of God.” “That which is born of the flesh (i.e. man’s nature and wisdom) is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

    If you had ever been “born of the Spirit”, then you would have received at that moment His eternal Spirit … not the spirit of “antichrist” which you so openly manifest by your current words.

    One final thought:

    Being “born again” is an eternal (not temporary) act of God which He himself accomplishes in the heart of a true believer. It has NOTHING to do at all with the whimsical (and, therefore, changeable) beliefs of the human/fleshly mind … no matter how educated (or “enlightened”) that mind may be.

    Tim

  25. Posted October 20, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I believe the record that God gave of his Son, therefore I have the witness within myself that I am “born again”. You do not believe His record, therefore you do not have the “witness” within yourself that you have been “born again”, but rather, you have made God to be a “liar”.

    When I was a Christian, I would have cited the same verses and made the same claims as you. Please explain how you know that you are not deluded like I was.

  26. Tim
    Posted October 24, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    The scriptures I presented answers your question: It’s the “witness” given in the heart of a true believer by the Holy Spirit of God. It’s not mental … it’s spiritual. You never received that “witness”, because you were never a true believer … and God KNOWS that!

    Therefore no matter what I tell you, you will not understand because the Word of God is spiritually discerned. It has nothing to do with mathematics or “mental assent”.

    In the end, it’s a matter of FAITH. One can not “prove” FAITH because it has to do with spiritual laws, not physical laws. One can not “prove” the existence of God (or the truth in the Bible) by a mathematical formula on a chalk board … though you tried very hard to do so and managed to convince yourself for awhile that you had actually done it.

    The trouble is, your mathematical formula (Bible Wheel) can never SAVE you or any one else … only FAITH in the testimony that God gave of His Son can save you! It’s that simple!

    Can a person “prove” that God has forgiven him? Can you “prove” to me that you love a particular person? Can you “prove” to me that you have never hated someone or lusted after something you shouldn’t have? No … you can not! Because these things have to do with a person’s HEART … which only God knows.

    The difference between you and me is you convinced yourself enough to “CITE” the Word of God with enthusiasm; whereas, I simply chose to BELIEVE the Word of God! That’s a BIG chasm that separates us.

    However, it’s my belief and prayer that God is still extending His love and mercy towards you … waiting for the Word of God (that you diligently searched out) to take root in your heart and bear the fruit of humble repentance of sin, faith towards God and finally accept the wonderful gift of eternal life as Jesus Christ cleanses you with His precious blood. You’ll then be truly “born again” and receive the “proof” (or witness) within your own heart that you are so earnestly seeking!

    Sincerely,
    Tim

  27. Posted October 24, 2014 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Therefore no matter what I tell you, you will not understand because the Word of God is spiritually discerned. It has nothing to do with mathematics or “mental assent”.

    I’m sorry Tim, but you did not answer my question. When I was a Christian, I could have cited the same verses and made the same claims as you. I asked you to explain you know that you are not deluded like I was. The answer is obvious. You have no way to know. Therefore, your words are vain, just like your faith. You live in a world of childish make-believe that is willing to think it is special and anyone who disagrees is “not saved” and “cannot see the truth” because they “don’t have the witness of the spirit.” There is no “witness of the spirit” Tim. You are lost in a delusion built of empty words with no content.

  28. Tim
    Posted October 24, 2014 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    Fair enough!

    I can accept that. At the very least, it puts us on the same geometric plane.

    But I still choose to believe the “delusion” of the Word of God over your delusion of man’s “wisdom” … because God calls such wisdom FOOLISHNESS:

    “For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God.” (1Cor 3:19)

    “Because the foolishness of God is WISER than men;” (1Cor 1:25)

    Therefore, “… the preaching of the cross is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS;” (1Cor 1:18)

    So, “… in the wisdom of God THE WORLD BY WISDOM KNEW NOT GOD, it pleased God by the FOOLISHNESS OF PREACHING TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.” (1Cor 1:21)

    Sincerely,
    Tim

  29. Posted October 24, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    I can accept that. At the very least, it puts us on the same geometric plane.

    Hey there Tim,

    I am not on the same “geometric plane” as you. You are on the same plane as all other people who believe things with no justification, such as Muslims, Mormons, Catholics, Hindus, and members of the Heaven’s Gate cult. Your category of “man’s wisdom” is meaningless. It has no content because no human has access to any other kind of wisdom. Your belief that your beliefs constitute “supernatural wisdom” is just as delusional as the belief that Joe Smith received supernatural powers to translate his imaginary golden plates. You have not written a word that would indicate otherwise. You have presented your beliefs as a totally arbitrary choice to believe what others humans have told you to believe.

    I’m glad you have pursued this topic, as it is an important example of the irrational nature of religious beliefs.

    Great chatting!

    Richard

  30. Tim
    Posted October 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    Psalms 14:1 … I rest my case!

    Tim

  31. Posted October 24, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Ha! You call that a case? It’s pure delusion. You yourself have explained that you simply “chose” to believe the Bible without reason. How are you any different than any other cult member? The truth is that the fool has said in his heart “I will believe what other people tell me without any evidence.”

  32. Posted December 10, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Theory of reality:
    What do we really know?
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1t3dP66nJlub0lFOTRtYU5yUkU/view?usp=sharing

    Understanding Reality

    Time, gravity, the stretching out of space and the second law of thermal dynamics are linked in a

    manner which has yet to be described.

    The resolution of a system defines the limits of any value assigned to it. Infinity could be the changing

    At the finest scale what we end up with is unity.

    If reality contains both infinity and unity then it is either is a multifaceted jewel or the singularity

    It is variation that creates reality. Everything in the universe is vibrating and emitting light.

    It may be fluctuation of probabilities or fractal reiteration with varying degrees of freedom in an

    information field stored holographically.

    Can the past present and future appear together at a certain scale?

    Is it a precise computation with an outcome that is certain?

    What if reality is a set of Russian dolls nested inside of one another. Each doll is one tick of time and it

    is we who are moving, or our consciousness?

    Is time the framework in which choices are made? Could it be the vehicle for our fractal journey?

    If I have valuable information and you reject it.

    I am not obligated to fight with you until I make my point, unless this information is helpful to you in

    1. This deception in the garden is a fractal expression of how we perceive the world around us. We

    need to get back to the unfiltered eyes of a child that can see all of the possibilities. This to me speaks

    2. This passing the buck behavior (by Adam) says that I am not responsible for my actions. This would

    3. The truth is that I am in fact my brothers keeper and I should care about his welfare.

    If I am having an argument trying to prove my point, then my ego is involved and I have put up a brick

    wall. My ego/your ego is impenetrable. No useful information will be conveyed.

  33. JEW
    Posted December 14, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    First of all , if we had the ability to comprehend God, then He wouldn’t be God at all. We only know what we see or have experienced, and at that, most likely misinterpret most of it.
    God gave the people in Canaan over 400 years to repent. They were sacrificing their own children and were completely evil in every way. The Bible says there were Nephilim on the earth (also, before the flood and now) . Could it be that this seed of fallen angels have corrupted the human race? Talking to Satan,God said,”…I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between YOUR OFFSPRING and hers…”God will protect His own, whether or not we agree with His ways! Children or innocents killed at direction from God, could be saved by Him in death before becoming evil on earth. God often gives us our desires whether it is good for us or not. After all they were sacrificing their own children to Baal. God protects His babies. Death to God is a wonderful thing to those protected by God.
    The 144 virgins? These seem to foreshadow 144,000 Jews SAVED in Revelation because they did not take the mark of the beast.
    There are 2 sides…satan or God. We are given a choice. We are warned what will happen to us if we choose to not be saved by God. Seems to me we are the ones choosing to go to hell. Hell is the absence of God. Since God is light, love, justice, truth, goodness, mercy,etc., a place devoid of these would be a horrible place indeed! We choose to be with God or Satan. We choose hell when we reject Him, Goodness. Our life here is for us to decide where we want to spend eternity. Gods way is His way, not our way. Pretty arrogant to think we know better than God. Pride is the source of all evil. Pride turned a glorious angel into a demon. A house divided will not stand. Heaven will not be divided. God will not be mocked or compromised!

  34. Textus Receptus
    Posted December 21, 2014 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Why do you consider Nestle Aland 27 (NA27) as the Original Text?
    For example satan was removed in Luke 4:8 (in the NA27 version)
    Never use any bible based on the Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society (NA/UBS) text.

    Additional even Scrivener cannot be considered as the Original Text in Greek language.
    http://textus-receptus.com/wiki/191_Variations_in_Scrivener%E2%80%99s_1881_Greek_New_Testament_from_Beza%27s_1598_Textus_Receptus

  35. Posted December 21, 2014 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Why do you consider Nestle Aland 27 (NA27) as the Original Text?
    For example satan was removed in Luke 4:8 (in the NA27 version)
    Never use any bible based on the Nestle-Aland/United Bible Society (NA/UBS) text.

    What makes you think that I consider Nestle Aland 27 (NA27) as the Original Text? No one knows what was in the original text.

    When you say that “Satan was removed in Luke 4:8″ you are assuming it was in the original. How do you know that? It is missing from some ancient Greek manuscripts and scholars have concluded that it was added later.

  36. Textus Receptus
    Posted December 21, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    On your question: What makes you think that I consider Nestle Aland 27 (NA27) as the Original Text?
    It is mentioned in your comment on Database Features: Verse Selection
    The text of the King James version is displayed in the upper left section, with the data from Strong’s Concordance below it on the left, and the verse in the original Hebrew or Greek below on the right.
    On the right you can select in Greek the Nestle Aland 27 (NA27) as the Original Text.

    http://www.heritagebbc.com/archive3/0181.html (See on this link)
    Luke 4:8 – “Get behind me Satan” is referenced to a footnote at the bottom of the page which reads, “NU omits, Get behind me Satan.” (NU = Nestle Aland 26 / UBS)

    The Luther translation (1545), King James Version 1611, Dutch Statenvertaling 1637 and the Russian Synodal Text all include this text.

    Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are corruptions
    http://www.1611kingjamesbible.com/codex_vaticanus.html/

  37. Posted December 21, 2014 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    It is mentioned in your comment on Database Features: Verse Selection
    The text of the King James version is displayed in the upper left section, with the data from Strong’s Concordance below it on the left, and the verse in the original Hebrew or Greek below on the right.

    OK, I get it. You misunderstood what I meant. When I said “original Greek.” I was referring to the language of the original. I did not say that it was the “original manuscript.” That should have been obvious since I provide two versions of the “original Greek” – the NA27 and the TR of Stephanus. Here is what I wrote on that page (link):

    Enter the Book, Chapter, and Verse numbers in the ‘Bk, Chpt, Vs’ fields, and click ‘Go’. When browsing the NT, you can choose between the Scrivener’s Textus Receptus (1894) or the Nestle-Aland textform. The text of the King James version is displayed in the upper left section, with the data from Strong’s Concordance below it on the left, and the verse in the original Hebrew or Greek below on the right.

    Obviously, I was referring to the “original Hebrew or Greek language,” not the “original manuscript” which everyone knows does not even exist.

    The Luther translation (1545), King James Version 1611, Dutch Statenvertaling 1637 and the Russian Synodal Text all include this text.

    Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are corruptions

    How do you know they are corruptions? Are you are KJV Only believer? Do you believe that the KJV is an inspired English translation?

  38. Textus Receptus
    Posted December 21, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for your explanation on “original Greek”
    The corrupted versions are from Alexandrië.

    I am not a KJV1611 Only believer. This version has also some issues. Most of them are explained on:
    http://watch.pair.com/TR-kjv-issues.html
    Therefore I always compare the KJV 1611 with the Luther translation (1545), Dutch Statenvertaling 1637 and the Russian Synodal Text.
    http://bijbel.hispage.nl/index.php

    When finding differences, I try to understand the Greek text behind the differences and therefore your site is very helpful.

  39. Posted December 21, 2014 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for your explanation on “original Greek”

    You’re welcome!

    The corrupted versions are from Alexandrië.

    What makes you think they are corrupted?

    We don’t have the originals, so the best we can do is compare all the various copies. That’s called the science of textual criticism.

  40. Textus Receptus
    Posted December 23, 2014 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Basically it comes to 2 main type of translation paths.
    Path 1 is based on Antioch.
    Path 2 is based on Alexandria.
    http://www.mpbiwv.com/downloads/Path%20of%20Preservation.pdf
    http://www.mpbiwv.com/downloads/Translations%20Compared.pdf

    Now we already have a new Nestle Aland 28 version with the following updated books since Nestle Aland 27, which is on your website.
    ECM-Variants James
    ECM-Variants 1. Peter
    ECM-Variants 2. Peter
    ECM-Variants 1. John
    ECM-Variants 2./3. John and Jude
    Enough evidence that the bible is changed again.
    The Nestle Aland is using Path 2 from Alexandria, which is not only used in the Catholic church now but also in a lot of Christian churches.

    Kurt Aland visits pope John Paul II, 1984. (See picture at the end of this document)
    http://www.undermytree.net/Texts/The%20Bible%20-%20a%20Battlefield%20PART%202.pdf

  41. Textus Receptus
    Posted December 23, 2014 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    The updated books I mentioned in my previous post are from the Nestle Aland 28 (second edition)
    http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.nl/2013/02/editio-critica-maior-changes-between.html

  42. Jeanne
    Posted December 31, 2014 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    I continue to be blessed each time I reference the revelations you received and wrote as The Bible Wheel. I thank God for you.
    Concerning the question of how a good God could assign anyone to eternal hell, the information noted in the following link was helpful to me. Perhaps it will encourage you as well, that our Loving God will indeed fulfill His Loving Will in the restoration of ALL THINGS. May His Good Spirit reconfirm His love to you.

    http://gods-kingdom-ministries.net/files/4713/7470/3776/Creations_Jubilee.pdf

  43. eemitchell
    Posted January 6, 2015 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    I am surprised by your reasons for leaving the faith. I would have expected something else, because at least to me it seems your reasons are misunderstandings. You seem to base a lot on rational thought and logic as opposed to just living by faith, but your reasons are not rational. Are you now an Atheist or do you still believe in a Deity of some sort?

    1. Hell

    If God is good, He must be a righteous judge. Therefore He must judge sinners, of which we all are. If God in the end allows all wicked sinners into His kingdom how could He be considered just? This would then prove He is not good. But the very fact that He judges evil and separates Himself from it shows His goodness. Therefore Hell is required and a natural byproduct of a good God. God is Love, God is Light, if you spend eternity apart from Him (based on your own choice) then you will experience Hell which is naturally unpleasant because it is separation from God. Without Evil (hell) how would we differentiate the Goodness of God?

    If a man brutally murdered someone close to you (God forbid), would you expect the judge to just let the man go free? Would the judge be a good judge if he did so? He would not be a “loving” judge and therefore not a good judge, he would be considered worse than the murderer. In the same sense God must be Just because He is good by nature and must separate himself from sinners/the wicked. In the same manner we are that murder and even much worse in our sinful condition. Thank God He provided a way for us to escape hell (because He loves us, but loves us enough to allow us to come freely of our own will)

    2. The Bible contains many errors, contradictions, logical absurdities, and moral abominations attributed to God.

    I don’t know of any errors or contradictions. Every supposed error and contradiction has always been a misunderstanding of the text, or a reading out of context. There are many extremely intelligent people that would agree with me, not all Christians are empty headed or non-intellectuals. (See some of Dr. William Lane Craig’s debates). As for the moral abominations, God who is all knowing would have His reasons for killing men, women, and children. He as their creator has the right to decide how and when they die; He knows their destiny in the end. God knew what would have happened to everyone of them if He had not commanded their destruction. You and I just don’t have all the information and to write God off as committing a moral abomination is in my opinion not a fair judgment for us to make. The Canaanites were cutoff to prevent the corruption of Israel. They practiced detestable things, such as burning their own children alive to honor their false gods, bestiality and many other vile things. If God were to allow the Israelites to become corrupt that could have very well tainted the genetic line of Christ who was to come and allow salvation for all of us. So was God being immoral by sacrificing a few to bring salvation to the majority of the human race? Wouldn’t it have been just has “immoral” if God would have allowed Israel to become corrupted by the Canaanites and therefore corrupt the line of messiah to come? The children were obviously innocent, and I believe they are with the Lord now, God is just and righteous, do you think He would send innocent people into hell?

    3. God does not, as a general rule, answer prayers.

    I’m sorry this was your experience, everyone experiences answered prayers differently. I have had answered prayers, some very specific and would have been very unlikely to happen by random chance. In my experience my prayers have always been answered in ways I didn’t expect. Often times I think many people overlook the answered prayer.
    But the bottom line is, even if God didn’t answer any of my prayers and I lived a life of sorrow and pain….what Christ did is already enough. God’s already been more graceful than He even has to be, I deserve hell….but while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

    I see you have pretty much made up your mind and nothing I could say or do would change it. At this point all I can do is pray for you. God grants you a free will and if you would rather ignore Him, or pretend He doesn’t exist…or reject His revelation of himself to the world (Jesus Christ) then that’s your God given choice to make.

    It seems you have placed a moral standard upon God. You say God shouldn’t have created a place called Hell, you say God shouldn’t have commanded the destruction of the Canaanites, and that God should answer prayers more often or differently. Upon what moral standard do you hold these views? After all, God is the one who has placed the moral standard in our hearts and has communicated it through the scriptures. God is good, God is just, God does answer prayer.

  44. psyd3f3cts
    Posted January 8, 2015 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    have a look at the following: fractals
    fractals occuf when there is iteration and non linearity, like taking a nonlinear process and feed back some form of its output to its input. it can be shown, specifically, for a certain iteration, laid out in a grid, and various groupings made using digital roots/modular mathematics, a fractal effect occurs where the same sequence of numbers appears at higher and higher levels of groupings, always keeping the same digital roots, jn all and every level..if that’s not a way to show the perfect chaotic conditions or the infinitely structured, perfect prison for man’s wandering mind to stay put
    1/x-1 = 1/(x-1) – 1/x + 1/x**2 + 1/x**3 +…. 1/x**n
    try to link the above with this iteration 396693 , its mirrored, rotationally symmetric, pivoting, affine, self similar, gliding reflectional, with also a central point for the symmetry, its brilliant. .
    I left a couple of links for your focus to align on this, look at quasitiling for some more information too..
    ^_^

  45. Textus Receptus
    Posted January 10, 2015 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Your website shows the Scrivener Textus Receptus of 1894 (the same as 1881)
    However there is another Textus Receptus from Scrivener dated 1860.
    http://historiayverdad.org/biblias-textos-biblicos/Textus-Receptus-StephensScrivener-1860.pdf

    In this document Scrivener shows additional the Lachmanni, Tregelles, Tischendorf updates.
    As far as I know all Textus Receptus published since 1881 have major corruptions in it.

  46. Posted January 10, 2015 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    In this document Scrivener shows additional the Lachmanni, Tregelles, Tischendorf updates.
    As far as I know all Textus Receptus published since 1881 have major corruptions in it.

    How do you know if the updates were “corruptions” of the original manuscripts? The updates were based on evidence that they more accurately represent the original manuscripts. In other words, the updates corrected corruptions that had entered into the TR. It sounds like you are simply assuming that one version of the TR from the 15th century accurately represents the original manuscripts. Is that correct?

  47. Textus Receptus
    Posted January 10, 2015 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Tischendorf is well known for his finding of the Codex Sinaiticus in a waste basket.
    This Codex differs more as 14000 times from other reformation bibles, but has become the standard for todays bibles.
    That means that all other 5300 – 5500 manuscripts would be corrupt.
    http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2014/pastorbob1026-2.htm
    And why is there CopyRight on modern bibles from Rupert Murdoch?

    The differences in the Textus Receptus versions of the 15th century are not that much.
    For example Beza uses the word Beelzeboub in Matthew 10:25 instead of Beelzeboul.
    But in all his other chapters he used the correct word Beelzeboul.

  48. Posted January 11, 2015 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Tischendorf is well known for his finding of the Codex Sinaiticus in a waste basket.

    So what? What does that have to do with anything? Would you reject the KJV if you found a copy of it in a waste basket?

    This Codex differs more as 14000 times from other reformation bibles, but has become the standard for todays bibles.
    That means that all other 5300 – 5500 manuscripts would be corrupt.

    What do you mean by “reformation bibles?” What do they have to do with anything? We are talking about the actual Greek manuscripts of the New Testament that existed long before the reformation. The only knowledge we have about the original documents comes from copies, and all copies have disagreements with all other copies. Therefore, we must compare all copies to try to determine what the original said. This is known as the science of textual criticism.

    http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2014/pastorbob1026-2.htm
    And why is there CopyRight on modern bibles from Rupert Murdoch?

    It takes a lot of work to translate the Bible. Copyrights are allowed on any intellectual work. I can see how the fact that Murdoch owns Zondervan (which publishes the NIV and many Christian works) could create a moral dilemma for believers, but that says nothing about whether the translation is valid or not. And that’s not even relevant, since it’s merely a translation and we are talking about the original Greek manuscripts as we can best determine by comparing all existing copies.

  49. Textus Receptus
    Posted January 16, 2015 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I would reject most of the new modern KJV versions when finding them in a waste basket.
    With reformation bibles I mean the first bibles, which started after the reformation in the period of Erasmus. But I also do not trust todays bibles, which are called reformation bibles. Therefore I understand this is confusing.

    It is indeed better to compare the original Greek Manuscripts.

  50. Posted January 17, 2015 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    I would reject most of the new modern KJV versions when finding them in a waste basket.

    It sounds like you would reject “the modern KJV versions” no matter where you found them.

    Your answer misses the point that the place mss were found is irrelevant to their validity.

    With reformation bibles I mean the first bibles, which started after the reformation in the period of Erasmus.

    The reformation happened about 1500 years after the original manuscripts of the New Testament were written. The bibles produced after the reformation were not the “first bibles.”

    But I also do not trust todays bibles, which are called reformation bibles. Therefore I understand this is confusing.

    The Bible is like all books – it was written by fallible men. Why do you trust it? There are many different versions with different numbers of books. How do you know which one you should trust? How do you know which, if any, are trustworthy? I see no logic in your beliefs at all.

  51. Posted January 17, 2015 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Richard, you claim that your former faith was as true as any faith has ever been. That is just boasting!

    You say that it would make sense if I exhorted me to RETURN to your faith? Richard, you have never had a living faith.

    You used to write movingly and correctly but faith is uniquely a gift of God. How could you have ever had a living faith if you believe that the person who blesses man with a living faith, the God of the holy Bible, doesn’t exist?

    Richard, the ability to pray is God’s gracious gift to man, for man an can use prayer to thank Him. If man rejects prayer he can’t live honorably before God, because God teaches that His house shall be a house of prayer. Prayerlessness is something to reject, because it falls short of glorifying the one true God. Richard, do all you can to resume praying to the LORD, for He can cleanse you of boasting and bless you with a god glorifying heart, mind and soul!

  52. Posted January 17, 2015 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Richard, you claim that your former faith was as true as any faith has ever been. That is just boasting!

    I am not “boasting” about anything. I am merely stating the fact that I believed in God then just like you do now. If anyone is “boasting” it is someone like you who claims that your beliefs were “given by God” which implies that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. That’s the most arrogant thing I could imagine anyone ever saying.

    You say that it would make sense if I exhorted me to RETURN to your faith? Richard, you have never had a living faith.

    So now you speak as if you were God himself? How exactly do you know if I had a “living faith” or not? I am guessing you are simply assuming that anyone who leaves the faith never had it in the first place. There are many problems with that. First, it’s just your opinion. Christians differ on whether “true believers” can lose their faith. The Bible is not clear on that point at all. Second, you don’t know if I have really lost the faith. Maybe I’m just confused, and I was actually saved in the past and so cannot be lost now despite my many words. Third, by your standard, there is no way for YOU to know if YOU have are saved because it may be that tomorrow you will lose your faith. You have no way to know.

    You used to write movingly and correctly but faith is uniquely a gift of God. How could you have ever had a living faith if you believe that the person who blesses man with a living faith, the God of the holy Bible, doesn’t exist?

    I was able to have a “living faith” just like yours because I used to believe that God existed.

    Is there any reason your “living faith” could not be a delusion like mine was? If not, please explain why not. So far, you have given no reason for your faith that is any different than a typical mindless cult member. Please take no offense, as none is intended. My point is that your faith appears to be utterly blind and irrational and you seem oblivious to this fact.

  53. Posted January 17, 2015 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    You say that it would make sense if I exhorted me to RETURN to your faith? Richard, you have never had a living faith.

    Here’s the problem – the faith I once had was identical to yours. You say I should pray? Fine, I used to pray. So what’s the difference? What exactly are you saying I should do now that I failed to do then? Please explain.

  54. Posted January 18, 2015 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Richard, true faith results in a love for the God of the holy Bible. No matter what anyone says if they don’t love the Author of life then they don’t have true faith. You and Rose should return to Bible Study because you both write against the only true God.

    Let Him teach you both what true faith is! Richard, do some serious Bible study.

  55. Posted January 18, 2015 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Richard, true faith results in a love for the God of the holy Bible. No matter what anyone says if they don’t love the Author of life then they don’t have true faith. You and Rose should return to Bible Study because you both write against the only true God.

    I had a deep love for the God I believed in. Now I see that I was deluded and the God of the Bible cannot be true because he is unjust, irrational, cruel, sexist, egomaniacal, and literally an insane mass-murderer who killed 70,000 of his own people because David took a census that God had never even prohibited! You want me to believe in a God who commanded the slaughter of every man, woman, and child of the Midianites except for 32,000 sexy virgins who were then distributed to the blood soaked horny soldiers who had just slaughtered every person they ever loved? You merely pick and choose which parts of the Bible you believe and ignore all the parts that show god is a moral monster. Please excuse me if I am not willing to follow you in your delusion.

    Let Him teach you both what true faith is! Richard, do some serious Bible study.

    Open your eyes to what the Bible actually states! It presents God as an intellectually absurd moral monster.

  56. Posted February 2, 2015 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    R. A. McGough,

    I’ve used your Wheel website before over the years when researching various numbers in regard to scriptural interpretation. And it always seemed a bit ‘codex heavy’ with mathematical intensity. But, when used with ‘some’ of the Strong’s concordance and (Hebrew/Greek Lexicon) numbers it became helpful in my research. Disappointed to read of your new found renouncement of your beliefs, but not surprising. After reading the beginning origins of your journey, during those Hippie days, which my husband and I so fully understand as old ex-Hippies ourselves. It is clear how you ended up with your past and current conclusions. Actually the outcome of your denouncement of Christianity is wrought by an original misconception, proving why there are NOT many pathways to God. Mysticism, Mathematics, Astrophysics, Theology, or Biblical exegesis, none of these ways or means lead to the Truth. This is indeed why Jesus Christ said to Nicodemous “you must be born again!” Born of The Spirit, not of the flesh (the carnal mind). The carnal mind is your ability to intellectualize, that which you cannot possibly understand with your natural mind of reasoning. For you (and it ‘your natural mind’) are not capable of interfacing with perfection(God). So as a natural man (or woman or human being) you/we/them/us/ attempt to rationalize God (The divine Creator Father) and by so doing, lose faith completely. Christ The divine Son, explained this journey by faith simply… but profoundly hard for the natural mind to understand, when He said “you must be born anew (or again). This is not mystical or calculable but a divine act done by a perfect Creator that humanity simply must accept in faith. The carnal, (or natural) mind is at enmity with this Perfection, and intellectualizing ‘God’ is the antithesis of true faith. The Holy Spirit entering your self reasoning mind is the only operation and function by which any human being can be saved. It is a NEW birth, a NEW you that overcomes your propensity to be limited. And it is a gift of God lest any human being would have the temerity to brag about it. The early primitive church disciples called this ‘the Grace of God.’ The modern “church culture” with its social order should be repellant to any natural thinking individual. For it has departed from The Truth, on far too many levels for far too long. However, the true Christian, knows that they are not given many truths on the way to Life, but they are given a Person Who is The Truth, the Way and the only Life worth having. It was done in this Way to confound the “aspiring wise” and the counsels of naturally educated ungodly men. Also done in this Way in order to confound the powers and principalities in the heavenly atmospheres which natural humanity does not see or know the existence of. Just because you do not understand something doesn’t mean it doesn’t co-exist near you. Human beings only access (or use) one tenth of their tiny pea brains, how much more than that is The great Creator Who fashioned the galaxies in the span of His Hand? Remember the words of The Savior, ” all those who ask receive, all those who seek will find, and to them that KNOCK, the Door will be opened.”

    It is my hope that you Knock on the door today!

    Sincerely,
    CC in AZ.

  57. Rene
    Posted February 9, 2015 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Richard,
    I was using your website to look up Gematria numbers of certain Hebrew words and I was confused when I started to read that you now “quit” Christianity. As most people that correspond with you, I too, am a Christian. Well, I wouldn’t really call it Christian, I would just say I am in a relationship with our Heavenly Father.

    I read many of your reply’s to different people’s posts. You are a very smart man! But as I prayed to God for wisdom and understanding on what to write to you, the Holy Spirit gave me 4 points.

    1. There is a God, and He Loves You.
    2. Everybody Sins. You sin, I sin, we all sin. The million dollar question is……..Who’s going to pay for your Sins? Now, whether you believe it or not or Like it or not all sins have to paid for. The wage for sin is eternal separation from God.
    3. God sent his Son to pay that penalty for us.
    4. All you have to do is confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ came to reconcile us to our Creator/Father and you will have everlasting life.
    That’s it……….The rest of the stuff below is from me. You can continue reading if you want. God Bless You Brother!

    I wanted to ask if you have ever witnessed or experienced supernatural healings like the way the Bible describes?

    Please allow me to give you a little testimony. I dislocated my shoulder many years ago. My shoulder would always bother me. Especially when it got cold. One day I woke up from a night’s rest and I couldn’t pick up my arm. I was in pain all day. Later on that day I went to Church and my Sister in Christ started to pray for me and lay hands on my shoulder. As she prayed she told me to raise my arms to our Lord. As she continued praying my arms were both fully extended towards the Heavens. I have not had any pain or mobility issues since. In fact my shoulder is stronger than before.

    I know there are some crazy events recorded in the Bible. Just like others have said, His ways are not our ways. But let me tell you what I know. God is good. He is so good that he sent his one and only Son to die for my sins. He proved it, to me, that he is good and if God doesn’t do another good thing for me in my lifetime I will still rejoice because he saved me from paying that debt.

    Richard, it also sounds like you are blaming God for the trouble in this world. Man is one of the reasons this world is messed up. God gave us free will. He created us in Love for Love. He wanted us to choose to Love and obey Him. Without God everything is relevant and either God is God or Man is god. Where is the moral compass? I’m not saying all non-believers are immoral. What I’m saying is that if God did not give us his Laws everybody’s view on morality would be determined on how they”felt” that day.

    Lastly, remember that we live in a fallen world and have an enemy that wants nothing more than to kill, steal and destroy us.

    Praise The Lord. He is real and alive Richard! I hope you come back. The Lord is waiting for you with open arms. He loves you Bro. So do I. My spirit was bothered that you “quit” Christianity.

  58. chuck
    Posted March 6, 2015 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Hello Richard,
    First I want to thank you for being so “consistent” in answering all the posts that flood your web page.
    It is very evident that you are a sincere seeker of the TRUTH, and I pray that you will give me equal time in presenting you with view or perspective that I have yet to read in the posts above.

    Before we can address your OLD TESTAMENT & HELL “concerns”, we must address the obvious issue, and I say this respectfully Richard, for whatever reason, and there can be many, but you never received a REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST.
    The only people who can walk away from JESUS are those HE has NOT “revealed” himself to.
    If someone does not have a “reality” of Jesus in their life, why would anyone want to follow someone that they do not “KNOW”?

    This is where the “Born Again” experience comes in because alot of people do not understand what this experience is and I hope you will allow me to give you a “different” perspective than what you may of been taught or what maybe you have come up with in your own mind or understanding.

    “Except a person be “BORN AGAIN” or (from above) HE CANNOT SEE the kingdom of God” (John 3:3)

    This “spiritual” BIRTH that Jesus said that WE MUST HAVE, is an “encounter” with God Himself, where God “reveals” Himself to us, in REALITY.
    God does not intend for us to believe in Him without some sort of “evidence”.
    Jesus told the woman at the well….

    “Ye worship YE KNOW NOT WHAT:: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPERS shall worship the Father in spirit
    and IN TRUTH: for the Father SEEKETH SUCH to WORSHIP HIM.” (John 4:22,23)

    Here Jesus says that in order to worship the Father, you must KNOW WHO HE IS.
    And if you do not know who He is, then you are worshiping something in VAIN.
    This is basically what Jesus told Nicodemas in John 3, a respected “religious” leader who was
    supposed to be a “representative” of God, but only knew the Word on paper, but not the WORD MADE FLESH.

    This is where the “Born Again” experience comes in.
    A “birth” is a TANGIBLE EXPERIENCE which is the “result” of a SEED being planted.
    When a man plants his “seed” into a woman in “good” ground, it takes 9 months before that “manifestation” comes forth.
    When Jesus explained the Parable of the Sower Sows the Word, he said…

    “The SEED is the WORD of GOD.” (Luke 8:11)

    When “mans” SEED is planted, at the HARVEST, ….. a MAN is REVEALED.
    When an “orange” SEED is planted, at the HARVEST, …an ORANGE.is REVEALED.
    Likewise, when the SEED of GOD (the word of God on paper) is planted in our hearts, in GOOD GROUND, at the HARVEST,.GOD is REVEALED to us, which is a REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST.
    This is how God REVEALS His WORD to us, when the WORD (Jesus) is MADE FLESH or REAL to us. It is when JESUS “confirms” to us “super-naturally” by the SPIRIT of GOD, that what we have been planting in our hearts is truly the Word of God.

    Now we must understand that in this Parable, which Jesus said is the Parable that REVEALS all the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God, there are 4 types of GROUND, and 3 of these grounds are BAD GROUND and do not produce any “Fruit” or REVELATION of God.
    If you study the parable, Jesus tells us EXACTLY what will keep someone from receiving REVELATION
    or the “Born Again” experience, and it all has to do with “Spiritual Wickedness” in the unseen realm.

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)

    But the “KEY” to receiving a HARVEST from the WORD is this:

    “But that on the GOOD GROUND are they, which in an honest and GOOD HEART, having heard the word, KEEP IT, and bring forth fruit WITH PATIENCE.” (Luke 8:15)

    The Key in this verse is KEEP IT & bring forth fruit or “revelation” WITH PATIENCE.
    KEEP IT means to CONTINUE SOWING THE WORD until a HARVEST comes.
    This is where alot of people “Fall Away”, they do not receive a REVELATION quick enough for them and they do not understand that the Harvest is in God’s timing, not ours.

    “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”
    (Acts 1:7)

    The reason that we must CONTIUALLY SOW the WORD is that MOST of the SEED is falling into BAD GROUND which does not produce “fruit” or a REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST”.

    ” If ye continue in MY WORD, then…..ye shall KNOW the TRUTH, and the truth shall make you free.”
    (John 8:31,32)

    Here Jesus reveals that it is HIS WILL to reveal HIMSELF to us in REALITY, when we do what He says.
    He says we will KNOW THE TRUTH, which IS HIM, JESUS, (He said “I am the Truth”), and this will set us FREE because NOW WE KNOW WHO HE IS BY REVELATION of the SPIRIT of GOD, which is supernatural and bypasses the natural realm.
    Now our “spiritual” eyes are opened, where before, we had no REALITY of GOD.
    This is the BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE.
    And whoever has this EXPERIENCE, will NEVER WALK AWAY FROM JESUS, ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!

    Richard, we are all born into this natural world NOT KNOWING who God is, but this is why GOD WAS MADE FLESH and came down to this Earth with His Words to give us, which are in SEED FORM and when planted in the human heart, will bring forth a REVELATION of who HE is.

    I hope that you will REVISIT this parable of the SOWER SOWS the WORD, because in it is hidden all the Mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Parable is so SIMPLE a child can understand it.
    No one can really “understand” the Word of God UNTIL they have this BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE..

    “But the NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he KNOW them, because they are SPIRITUALY DISCERNED.”
    (1st Corinthians 2:14)

    For many years I have had the same questions you did concerning somethings in the OLD TESTAMENT, and I have recently received some LONG AWAITED answers from the Lord.
    But until our spiritual eyes are opened by JESUS, it does no good to worry about other questions.
    We will always have questions which God will answer in DUE SEASON.
    But we must wait on the Lord, we cannot give up because an answer doesnt come fast enough.

    The “Born Again” experience happens in the NEW COVENANT, a better covenant than the OLD,..

    “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins….but by JESUS’ own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”
    (Hebrews 10:4; 9:12)

    Until our sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ, the Holy Spirit cannot move in to our ‘”body”.
    And without the Holy Spirit it is IMPOSSIBLE to have understanding of the scriptures.

    “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the HOLY GHOST” (2nd Peter 1:20,21)

    Richard, I thank you for taking the time to read what I have written.
    I hope you respond so that I can return and share some of the questions the Lord has answered concerning the OLD TESTAMENT and HELL.
    I am sure that you will be quite suprised at the answers.
    MAY THE LOVE AND PEACE OF JESUS BE YOURS AND YOUR FAMILYS’ FOREVER….

  59. Posted March 7, 2015 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Hey there Chuck,

    I appreciate your comments, but I cannot find any explanation of how a person would know if they had or had not received the “revelation.” As far as I can tell, it is indistinguishable from a figment of your imagination. Could you please explain how you know that you are a “real Christian” and not deluded by your imagination as I was for those 15 years I claimed to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?

    Thanks!

  60. chuck
    Posted March 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Hello Richard,
    I am so grateful Richard that you read my post,
    I understand your question completely so let me try and shed some light.
    First, let me give you some examples from the scriptures about this “encounter” with the Lord and then I will include my “personal” testimony and experience of what happened to me in 1995.

    I want to repeat again, that EVERYONE is born into this natural world NOT KNOWING who God is.
    This is a RESULT of a “separation” that took place in the Garden of Eden.
    Now this is a whole “different” subject that we can NOT get into right now, but I just wanted to mention it because this is the REASON Jesus Christ (God in the Flesh) came to this Earth 2000 years ago, to bridge that “separation” gap between God and man, and He does this by the “Born Again” experience.
    This is why Jesus said “YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN….” (Jo 3:3)

    Now, I want you to think about this EXPERIENCE that God gives us, as when God spoke to Moses in the desert through the BURNING BUSH.

    “…and Moses looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
    And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, THEN God CALLED UNTO HIM out of the midst of the bush,..” (Exo 3:2-4)

    Notice that God got his ATTENTION FIRST and DREW him by the “burning bush”.
    But then God waited to see if Moses would come closer.
    When Moses DECIDED to go and get closer, only THEN did God SPEAK to him.

    Just like us, Moses did not KNOW who God was either, until God REVEALED Himself to Moses.
    This was a TANGIBLE experience, and Moses HEARD the VOICE of God.
    And remember, Moses was 80 years old when He had this ENCOUNTER with the Lord.
    This reveals the FAITHFULNESS of the Lord in our lives, that it is NEVER TOO LATE to have this encounter with JESUS.
    One more important point, AFTER God revealed Himself to Moses, God CONFIRMED to Moses and to the people, that God did INDEED speak to Moses through mighty signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. GOD ALWAYS CONFIRMS HIS WORD.

    “So then after the Lord Jesus had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and CONFIRMING THE WORD with signs following. Amen.” (Mark 16:19,20)

    Then we have the Apostle Paul. He was so RELIGIOUS and so PIOUS, that he was persecuting and bringing much harm to the early Church, and even though he knew the scriptures (Old Testament) and the “letter” of the law like no other, HE DID NOT KNOW WHO GOD WAS, UNTIL,
    JESUS REVEALED Himself to Paul in a “personal” face to face ENCOUNTER.

    “And as Saul journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN. And he fell to the earth, and HEARD A VOICE saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I AM JESUS whom thou persecutest…:” (Acts 9:3-5)

    Again, this was a TANGIBLE ENCOUNTER with the LIVING GOD, no imaginations but a “reality” experience that totally TRANSFORMED Paul’s life. This experience was so powerful, …listen to what Paul told the Greeks in Athens when he was preaching there…..

    “For as I passed by, and beheld your shrines, I found an altar with this inscription,
    TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore YOU IGNORANTLY WORSHIP, HIM I DECLARE UNTO YOU.” (Acts 17:23)

    Wow !! Now Paul is preaching to the people about the GOD that he himself ONCE IGNORANTLY WORSHIPPED, but now KNOWS INTIMATELY through the ENCOUNTER JESUS gave him.
    And we see all through the book of Acts, JESUS speaking to Paul at different times, giving him detailed instructions about what to do in certain situations.

    With the Disciples of JESUS, this PERSONAL ENCOUNTER would be when JESUS appeared to them AFTER the RESURRECTION from the dead.

    “But the Disciples were terrified and frightened and supposed that they had SEEN A SPIRIT. And JESUS said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
    Behold my HANDS AND MY FEET, that it is I MYSELF, handle me, and see; for a SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONE LIKE YOU SEE ME HAVE.”. (Luke 24:37-39)

    Here JESUS gives His Disciples a TANGIBLE REALITY EXPERIENCE REVEALING HIMSELF to them and CONFIRMING what the Scriptures had prophesied about him hundreds of years before.

    “And JESUS said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED, which were written in the law of MOSES, and in the PROPHETS, and in the PSALMS, CONCERNING ME.
    THEN HE OPENED THEIR UNDERSTANDING, THAT THEY MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES, (Luke 24:44,45)

    Now Richard, I want you to see something VERY IMPORTANT in this verse above.
    Notice that only AFTER JESUS REVEALED HIMSELF to the Disciples in this ENCOUNTER,
    did HE GIVE THEM UNDERSTANDING TO THE WORD OF GOD, the Scriptures.
    We need to understand that “UNDERSTANDING” of the Word of God comes at HARVEST TIME.
    “Understanding” does not come at SEED TIME while you are “planting” the Word.

    Another perfect example of this PERSONAL ENCOUNTER that God promises us, is with Samuel.

    “Now Samuel did NOT YET KNOW THE LORD, neither was THE WORD OF THE LORD YET REVEALED unto him.” (1st Samuel 3:7)

    Notice the word “YET” which we read twice in this verse.
    Samuel did not YET “KNOW” the Lord, neither was the Word of the Lord YET REVEALED unto him.
    God is revealing that there is an APPOINTED TIME for this ENCOUNTER.
    Samuel was a little boy at this time when God called his name 3 times BEFORE HE UNDERSTOOD that it was the Lord calling him.

    “..for the LORD REVEALED HIMSELF to Samuel in Shiloh BY THE WORD of the LORD.”
    (1st Samuel 3:24)

    This is how the Lord REVEALS HIMSELF to us, through HIS WORD.
    JESUS explains this in very simple terms in the Parable of the “Sower Sows the Word”. (Luke 8:4-15)

    Richard, I pray that you will study this Parable in your own free time because you will be able to
    FIND YOURSELF in this Parable, in that you will be able to KNOW what TYPE of BAD GROUND caused you to fall away. For example, the first ‘Bad Ground” that EVERYBODY starts in, is WAYSIDE GROUND…..

    “Those by the wayside are they that HEAR THE WORD; then comes the DEVIL, and takes away
    THE WORD out of their hearts, so that THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE AND BE SAVED” (Luke 8:12)

    JESUS tells us “straight-up” what is going to happen when we begin to plant His Word.
    Demon spirits, people offending us, the cares of this life or lusts of other things, all play a part in keeping the SEED of GODS WORD from reaching GOOD GROUND.
    JESUS basically says, that “demon spirits” are at work “behind” the scenes trying their best to make sure that the Word of God does not get planted in GOOD GROUND.

    Because these demon spirits know that once the SEED of GODS WORD REACHES GOOD GROUND, there is no STOPPING THE HARVEST, WHICH IS THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.
    Once we have this ENCOUNTER with the Lord, it is impossible to “fall away” from JESUS.
    ********************************************************************************************************************
    MY PERSONA TESTIMONY

    Richard,
    As a child, our Mother took us to Church every Sunday, up until I was about 15 years old, when I started to rebel, as most teen-agers do at about that age.
    In all that time attending Church, I NEVER had a PERSONAL ENCOUNTER with the Lord.
    I knew “OF” Him, I knew the bible stories, I even believed that He existed, but I never had a REALITY experience with Him.
    The closest experience that I could even “call” an experience, was when I watched the Franco Zeferelli’s JESUS OF NAZARETH (1979) Movie starring Robert Powell.
    And even though I now know that this movie was really “Anointed” by God, I was only deeply touched EMOTIONALLY by it and by the message.
    So here is what happened to me…..
    In 1994, after a continuous string of FAILURES in my life, after numerous failed relationships with very serious BROKEN HEARTS attached, I was driven to my knees and cried out to God from my heart..

    I prayed this prayer…..”God, man can not help me, only you can, so i am going to start reading your WORD, and I am asking you to show me WHY my life is the way it is”.

    At this point, I had NEVER read the Bible in my whole life, and I was not affiliated with any church nor was I attending church since I was 15.
    Well, I started reading and before too long, I had this “Hunger” in my heart to read more everyday.
    I could not wait to come home from work and open the Bible.
    So for 18 months I continued to sow His Word in my heart and on Thanksgiving Day of 1995, I was in my room, and without warning, a POWER FROM HEAVEN came upon my Physical Body, like “Electricity”, a Warm Glory surged through my body and INSTANTLY I was SET FREE from my BROKEN HEART, DEPRESSION, FEAR and even the TOBACCO & MARIJAUNA ADDICTION I had for 15 years of my life was DESTROYED in this GLORY that entered my room and touched me.
    This ENCOUNTER was so POWERFUL, that I was immobilized on my bed and I had no strength to move or get up.
    I was CRYING UNCONTROLLABLY with tears of JOY & AWE, and GOD OVERWHELMED ME WITH HIS LOVE FOR ME, revealing to me that everything would be alright.
    It was GLORIOUS, and I knew that JESUS had just set me free.
    This was the ENCOUNTER that I had been reading about in the WORD OF GOD for 18 months.
    This was the “Born Again” experience or the “Salvation Experience”, when Jesus REVEALED HIS WORD to me, CONFIRMING THE WORD by DOING WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.

    After this experience, as I continued reading the Word, Jesus would show me the Scriptures in the Word that CONFIRMED the experience he gave me…….

    “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, to preach DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVES, and recovering of SIGHT TO THE BLIND, to set at liberty them that are bruised,” (Luke 4:18)

    I had a broken heart, I was a captive to tobacco & marijuana, I was blind to the REALITY OF GOD, and I was bruised on the inside, and he HEALED ME INSTANTLY by the Power of the Holy Spirit

    These are the scriptures that Jesus gave me that REVEALS that it is His Will to give us this PERSONAL ENCOUNTER.

    “And ye shall seek me, and FIND ME, when ye shall search for me with ALL OF YOUR HEART” (Jeremiah 29:13)

    “He that hath my commandments (MY WORD), and KEEPS them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and I will MANIFEST MYSELF to him.”
    (John 14:24)

    ” If ye CONTINUE in MY WORD, then….ye shall KNOW the TRUTH, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31,32)

    “But that on the GOOD GROUND are they, which in an honest and good heart, having HEARD THE WORD, KEEP IT, and bring forth FRUIT (the Personal Encounter) with PATIENCE.” (Luke 8:15)
    ******************************************************************************************************************
    Richard, I know my response is very “lengthy”, but i really appreciate you answering my former post and for giving me the honour and opportunity of sharing with you what JESUS has done in my life.
    I am praying that Jesus will “use” something you read in this post to”speak” to you.
    I am also praying that The Lord will begin to give you a “Hunger” to search for Him
    with ALL YOUR HEART, as He has promised in his Word that you WILL FIND HIM.

    May you and your family experience the same REALITY of His Manifested Presence & Love.
    Have a great weekend Richard !!

  61. Posted March 8, 2015 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Richard, I know my response is very “lengthy”, but i really appreciate you answering my former post and for giving me the honour and opportunity of sharing with you what JESUS has done in my life.

    Hi Chuck,

    Thanks for the explanation. It was lot longer than needed. I already knew all the verses you quoted from the Bible. I appreciate the power of your “experience.” It reminds me of the mystical experience described by Blaise Pascal in the book Mind on Fire. The problem, of course, is that mystical experiences are common to humanity and provide no evidence for the validity of any particular religion. You had primed your mind by 18 months of fervent Bible study. Muslims prime their minds by repeating the phrase “There is no God but God” until they enter a trance. Psychedelic drugs can evoke profound mystical experiences that utterly change lives. So my question remains unanswered. Mystical experiences do not provide any evidence that the experience was from the “true God.” On the contrary, the fact that such experiences are common to people from all religions and can be evoked through rituals or drugs strongly suggests that they are a product of a properly primed brain.

    Again, I very much appreciate your comments,

    Richard

  62. chuck
    Posted March 8, 2015 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Hey Richard,
    Thanks for reading my post again, I really appreciate you taking the time to read it.
    I know that you are an “Intellectual” and I respect that, but we must understand that the CARNAL MIND CANNOT INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD, BECAUSE THE WORD OF GOD IS SPIRIT.
    (John 6:63)

    “For to be CARNALLY MINDED is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the CARNAL MIND IS AGAINST GOD: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
    (Romans 8:6,7)

    “But the natural or CARNAL MAN RECEIVES NOT the THINGS OF THE SPIRIT of God: for THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS unto him: HE CANNOT KNOW THEM,, because they are spiritually discerned.”
    (1st Corinthians 2:14)

    This is why JESUS said WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN or have the SPIRITUAL BIRTH, where our EYES ARE OPENED SPIRITUALLY.

    God and His Word are ONE, you CANNOT KNOW GOD APART FROM HIS WORD.
    And we are BORN AGAIN BY THE WORD…

    “Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED, by the WORD OF GOD, which lives and abides for ever.” (1st Peter 1:23)

    God created us for FELLOWSHIP, to have a PERSONAL LOVING RELATIONSHIP with us.
    You have a beautiful wife and I am sure that you have a wonderful relationship with her.
    You understand how “powerful” an “intimate” relationship is with a woman,
    There is NOTHING MORE POWERFUL on Earth than that.
    But this is ONLY A SHADOW, COMPARED TO THE RELATIONSHIP GOD WANTS WITH US, if you can imagine that,

    Richard, everyone sooner or later has to come to a conclusion:
    EITHER JESUS IS A LIAR, OR HE IS THE TRUTH.
    Our eternal destiny depends on this conclusion.
    GOD IS LOVE, and He will not FORCE US TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, IT’S A CHOICE.
    LOVE does not “Force” anything.
    .
    Because you are an “Intellectual”, I am “respectfully” asking you to consider these scriptures below because it really amazes me how there is NO SUBJECT which is in the Bible, that we can not identify with.
    .
    “I will DESTROY the WISDOM OF THE WISE and discard the intelligence of the intelligent.
    So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters?
    GOD HAS MADE THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD FOOLISH. SINCE GOD IN HIS WISDOM SAW TO IT THAT THE WORLD WOULD NEVER KNOW HIM THROUGH HUMAN WISDOM he has used our foolish PREACHING OF THE CROSS to save those who believe.” (1st Corinthians 1:19-21)

    “At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND INTELLIGENT, and REVEALING THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN” (MT 11:25)

    God always puts us in our place, because HE IS GOD AND WE ARE NOT, and He does it for OUR BENEFIT, not our destruction.
    A LOVING FATHER ALWAYS CORRECTS HIS CHILDREN, this is the WAY OF LOVE.

    We have ALL BEEN THERE Richard, every one of us…..no one is exempt…
    Well thanks again for your time, I really enjoyed discussing the things of God with you.
    Take Care My Brother…..JESUS IS COMING SOON, JUST LIKE HE SAID……
    *******************************************************************************************************************

    “And if any man hear MY WORDS, and BELIEVE NOT, I judge him not: for I CAME NOT TO JUDGE the world, BUT TO SAVE the world.
    He that rejects me, and RECEIVES NOT MY WORDS, has one that judges him:
    THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY.
    For I HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF MYSELF; but the Father which sent me, HE GAVE ME a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
    (John 12:47-50)

  63. Posted March 8, 2015 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    ..JESUS IS COMING SOON, JUST LIKE HE SAID……

    … just like he said … TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO!

  64. Posted March 8, 2015 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Richard, everyone sooner or later has to come to a conclusion:
    EITHER JESUS IS A LIAR, OR HE IS THE TRUTH.

    Not true. There are many other possibilities. The most obvious is that the stories about Jesus were made up just like those told by Joseph Smith. He invented a religion out of whole cloth and today he has millions of followers. If he could do that in an age of photographs and newspapers and telegraphs, how much easier would it have been to invent a religion in the first century? When people invent religions, they are not looking for “fact checkers.” They are looking for believers who will believe what they are told, like you.

    Our eternal destiny depends on this conclusion.
    GOD IS LOVE, and He will not FORCE US TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, IT’S A CHOICE.

    God won’t “force us” to have a relationship with him. He just threatens to torment us forever in hell if we refuse “his love.”

    Tell him I said “No thanks.”

  65. Posted March 8, 2015 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Chuck, could you please stop spamming me with Bible verses? I already know them and it makes you look like a mindless robot. If you want to discuss things with me like a human, please try to engage me with ideas. Merely repeating Bible verses will never tell me anything I don’t already know. I wrote a 412 page book about the Bible that surveyed all 66 books. OK?

  66. Posted March 8, 2015 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    A LOVING FATHER ALWAYS CORRECTS HIS CHILDREN, this is the WAY OF LOVE.

    The Bible declares that God will destroy anyone who does not submit to his rule. That is the opposite of love. Therefore, your God cannot be true.

  67. Posted March 8, 2015 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    God created us for FELLOWSHIP, to have a PERSONAL LOVING RELATIONSHIP with us.

    Nothing could be more absurd. If God is interested in a relationship, why does he hide? He doesn’t speak when you pray. Any “response” is only in your imagination. This is obvious because people in other religions claim that their God answers their prayers just like you think your God answers yours. You can’t both be right. This proves that someone’s religion is a product of their imagination, and since there is no way to distinguish your religion from any other cult, I have concluded that they are all probably false. If God were interested in providing evidence, he would. Obviously he is not interested in evidence. You confirm this, and say that I must wait for him to reveal himself. I did that for years. He never showed up. Your story is just a typical religious experience that does not distinguish your religion from any other.

    You really should try THINKING about what you are saying. It’s typical religious brainwashing that I hear from every cult.

  68. Posted March 8, 2015 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    GOD HAS MADE THE WISDOM OF THIS WORLD FOOLISH. SINCE GOD IN HIS WISDOM SAW TO IT THAT THE WORLD WOULD NEVER KNOW HIM THROUGH HUMAN WISDOM he has used our foolish PREACHING OF THE CROSS to save those who believe.” (1st Corinthians 1:19-21)

    A more accurate statement would be that your religion has made you into a fool who merely asserts religious dogmas with no intelligence. Your religion has taught you it is a virtue to reject rationality and to embrace blind belief. Your religion is a mind killer.

  69. Posted March 8, 2015 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Because you are an “Intellectual”, I am “respectfully” asking you to consider these scriptures below because it really amazes me how there is NO SUBJECT which is in the Bible, that we can not identify with.

    That’s a pretty scary use of “scare quotes” my friend. When you put “intellectual” in scare quotes, what are you trying to imply? That I’m not really using my intellect? That there is no such thing as authentic intellect? Or that the human “intellect” is nothing compare to the childish “wisdom” you are so skillfully displaying?

    And as for “respectfully” – did you mean to imply that you actually have no respect for someone who disagrees with you?

    It looks like you are saying that I am not really an intellectual and you are not really respectful.

  70. chuck
    Posted March 8, 2015 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Dear Richard,
    No matter how I answer you…
    You are NOT going to receive it, because YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR SPIRITUAL EYES OPENED BY JESUS HIMSELF.

    I don’t care how many books you have written, YOU ONLY KNOW THE “LETTER” of the WORD.
    YOU ONLY KNOW THE WORD OF GOD ON PAPER, WHICH IS IN “SEED FORM”…..
    IT TAKES THE HOLY SPIRIT TO MAKE THE WORD (Jesus) “FLESH” or “REAL” IN US.
    THE HOLY SPIRIT IS LIKE THE “WATER” THAT WATERS THE SEED, WHICH is GOD’S WORD.
    THE HOLY SPIRIT BRINGS THE WORD (Jesus) TO “LIFE”, WHERE IT IS “LIVING”
    THE WORD OF GOD ON PAPER IS A “SEED” THAT LAYS “DORMANT” UNTIL IT IS PLANTER IN GOOD GROUND.
    BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE HOLY SPIRIT ONLY COMES TO DWELL INSIDE THOSE WHO RECEIVE THE BLOOD OF JESUS FOR THE REMISSION OF THEIR SINS.
    THE BLOOD OF JESUS MAKES OUR HEART “GOOD GROUND” SO THAT THE “SEED” OF GOD’S WORD (on paper) CAN BE PLANTED IN OUR HEARTS.
    AFTER THIS, THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN COME TO DWELL WITHIN US AND WATER THE SEED OF GOD’S WORD, BRINGING THE WORD (Jesus) TO “LIFE” WITHIN US.
    THIS IS THE “EXPERIENCE” THAT YOU SEE ALL THE PEOPLE OF GOD HAVE IN THE SCRIPTURES.

    THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
    IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE HOLY SPIRIT DID NOT “LIVE” ON THE INSIDE OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF “SIN”.
    THE “STONY HEART” KEPT THE SEED OF GOD’S WORD FROM BEING PLANTED IN MENS HEARTS, THEREFORE THIS ACCOUNTS FOR DISOBEDIENCE AND THE BREAKING OF GODS COMMANDMENTS.
    YOU CANNOT PLANT SEEDS IN ‘STONE !!!
    THIS IS WHY GOD SPOKE ABOUT THE NEW COVENANT IN Jeremiah & Ezekiel and EXPLAINED EVERYTHING PERFECTLY:
    *******************************************************************************************************************
    “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT…. I will put my law in their inward parts, and WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; (Jeremiah 31:31,33)

    “A NEW HEART also will I give you, and a NEW SPIRIT will I put WITHIN YOU and I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put
    MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, and cause you to walk in my statutes..” (Ezekiel 36:26,27)
    ********************************************************************************************************************
    NOTICE GOD SAYS THAT IN THE NEW COVENANT, HE WILL WRITE HIS WORD IN OUR HEARTS, WHICH MEANS HE COULD NOT DO THAT UNDER THE OLD COVENANT BECAUSE OF THE STONY HEART OF “SIN”. THE BLOOD OF JESUS TAKES CARE OF THAT UNDER THE NEW COVENANT AND ALLOWS GOD TO GIVE US A HEART OF FLESH WHICH CAN NOW RECEIVE THE SEED OF HIS WORD.
    THEN HE PUTS HIS SPIRIT WITHIN US TO BRING THE SEED TO LIFE WITHIN US,
    THIS IS HOW GOD WRITES HIS LAW INTO OUR HEARTS.

    If you can not see that this is the PARABLE of the ‘Sower Sows the Word” that Jesus taught, then there is really nothing more I can say except ‘You Must Be Born Again”.

    Richard, I apologize if my earlier post offended you, God is my witness, it was not my intention.
    I really do understand your concerns and questions about certain things, especially in the Old Testament.
    But FIRST we must start out in the New Testament with the Words of Jesus until we are Born Again.
    We cannot go any ‘further” in God until we have this face-to-face with Jesus.
    I hope that soon, you will re-visit MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE & ESPECIALLY JOHN, and ask God to give you “fresh” eyes. I know that would be difficult for you considering the conclusions that you have already come up with, but I believe it is possible.

    The Lord gave me a Parable for people that God has not YET revealed His Word to….

    If you had a “seed”, and you did NOT KNOW what kind of seed it was, what would you have to do to FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF SEED IT IS ?…….
    Plant it in Good Ground and wait for the Harvest…

    Jesus said, ‘The Seed is the Word of God” (Lk 8:11)

    Take Care Richard, I hope we can talk some more soon,
    Sincerely,
    Chuck
    .

  71. Posted March 9, 2015 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    No matter how I answer you…
    You are NOT going to receive it, because YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR SPIRITUAL EYES OPENED BY JESUS HIMSELF.

    Not true. The reason I won’t receive it is because your claims are demonstrably delusional. You mindlessly parrot verses without understanding. You have not responded rationally to any of the answers I’ve given you. You have done nothing but confirm that dogmatic religion damages the believer’s mind and integrity.

  72. chuck
    Posted March 9, 2015 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Richard,
    REVELATION FROM GOD IS NOT RECEIVED THROUGH THE CARNAL OR RATIONAL MIND..
    REVELATION IS IMPARTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD TO OUR HUMAN SPIRIT.
    REVELATION BYPASSES THE CARNAL MIND……IT IS SPIRIT TO SPIRIT…
    MAN CANNOT “REVEAL” SPIRITUAL TRUTH TO ANOTHER MAN,
    IT COMES FROM GOD HIMSELF TO YOU, AFTER YOU RECEIVE THE BLOOD OF JESUS FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS SO THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE THE FREE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

    No other book in the world can READ YOUR MAIL like the Word of God…

    IT IS WRITTEN….

    “Truly, Truly, I say to you, We speak that which WE KNOW, and testify about that which WE HAVE SEEN, and YOU RECEIVE NOT OUR WITNESS.” (John 3:11)

    “And YOU HAVE NOT HIS WORD ABIDING IN YOU, for whom he hath sent, him YOU BELIEVE NOT.” (John 5:38)

    “He that is of God HEARS GOD’S WORDS: you therefore HEAR THEM NOT, because you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

    “But if our gospel be hid, IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST, IN WHOM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS BLINDED THE MINDS OF THEM WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of JESUS CHRIST, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2nd Corinthians 4:3,4)

    “But their MINDS WERE BLINDED, and to this day whenever the OLD TESTAMENT is being read,
    the same VEIL COVERS THEIR MIND so that they CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH. And this VEIL can ONLY BE REMOVED BY BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST.” (2nd Corinthians 3:14)

    Now the HOLY SPIRIT tells us CLEARLY, that in the last days, some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH; and will follow DECEPTIVE SPIRITS and TEACHINGS THAT COME FROM DEMONS.”
    (1st Timothy 4:1)

    “After this many of JESUS’ DISCIPLES QUIT FOLLOWING HIM and WALKED NO MORE WITH HIM..
    (John 6:66)
    *******************************************************************************************************************
    Richard, this is my last point……
    In this last scripture, (John 6:66), these committed followers of Jesus stopped following Him because of SOMETHING JESUS SAID THAT THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND….
    Jesus said that HIS WORDS OFFENDED THEM.

    Had these followers just WAITED UNTIL AFTER THE RESSURECTION, they would have been
    BORN AGAIN and RECEIVED PERFECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE
    that day to them.
    NOBODY COULD BE BORN AGAIN UNTIL AFTER THE RESURRECTION……

    (Notice also the chapter and verse # 666, which fits PERFECTLY with the subject of them
    “Walking Away” from Jesus Christ, revealing that the “spirit of anti-christ” was the spirit influence behind their DECISION.)

    “And these are they which are sown on STONY GROUND who, when they have
    HEARD THE WORD, immediately receive it with gladness; but they have NO ROOT IN THEMSELVES, and so ENDURE ONLY FOR A WHILE: but afterward, when affliction or persecution arises FOR THE WORDS SAKE, immediately THEY ARE OFFENDED.”(Mark 4:17,17)

    Richard, You already KNOW that God Loves You….
    God would not of left His throne, become a man, and suffer terribly for us to forgive us our sins if He did not Love us…
    Forget about the Old Testament & the questions you have for now….
    God will answer these questions for you in DUE SEASON…
    JESUS & HIS WORDS AND HIS ACTIONS REVEAL the Love of God for us….
    Believe Jesus & His Words….

    Take Care Richard,
    Sincerely,
    Chuck

  73. Posted March 9, 2015 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    REVELATION FROM GOD IS NOT RECEIVED THROUGH THE CARNAL OR RATIONAL MIND..

    You sure got that right! Your irrational “revelation” is not received through the “rational mind.”

    So what exactly is the difference between your beliefs and the ravings of a schizophrenic? You admit your beliefs are irrational. And you have no evidence. Why aren’t you a Muslim, Mormon, or Hindu? You believe what you believe without any evidence. Please explain the difference between a Christian and any other cult member.

    (Notice also the chapter and verse # 666, which fits PERFECTLY with the subject of them
    “Walking Away” from Jesus Christ, revealing that the “spirit of anti-christ” was the spirit influence behind their DECISION.)

    Yeah, I noticed that when I was a believer. I thought it was pretty cool. Of course, 666 is also the gematria of “sitro” meaning “his secret place” as in Psalm 18:11

    Psalm 18:11 He [God] made darkness his secret place = 666!

    Does that mean your God is Satan? Numerology is fun, ain’t it?

    Richard, You already KNOW that God Loves You….

    Love does not create an eternal evil of infinite torment. Sorry.

  74. chuck
    Posted March 9, 2015 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    [You believe what you believe without any evidence.]

    Why do you keep saying I believe without evidence?
    Every one of my responses has answered your question.
    The EVIDENCE is “Spiritual”, which is more REAL than “Natural” evidence.
    If your asking me if “I” can give “You” this evidence, the answer is NO,
    Because it is the HOLY SPIRIT WHO IMPARTS TRUTH TO THE HUMAN SPIRIT…..
    It comes from GOD’S SPIRIT to YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT…
    If I were God the HOLY SPIRIT, then I could give you this evidence….but I am not….
    It is impossible for you to understand this UNTIL YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE YOURSELF…

    Jesus said it best….

    “The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you don’t know where the wind comes from or where it’s going. That’s the way it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” (John 3:8)

    Here is another PERFECT EXAMPLE……

    “Jesus says unto them, But who do you say that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, YOU ARE THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for FLESH AND BLOOD HAS NOT ” REVEALED” THIS TO YOU, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.,,,and UPON THIS “REVELATION” (that I am the Christ) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH. (MT 16:15-17)

    Richard, this EXPERIENCE that God gives us makes us APART OF THE VERY BODY OF CHRIST.
    Peter RECEIVED A SUPER-NATURAL REVELATION FROM THE FATHER ABOUT WHO JESUS IS. Jesus did NOT tell Peter this by mouth, it was not REVEALED by Flesh & Blood, but by God.

    Also, Jesus clearly says in this scripture that this is HOW THE CHURCH IS BUILT, BY EACH PERSON RECEIVING THIS REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.
    Anyone who DOES NOT RECEIVE THE REVELATION THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, CANNOT BE APART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST UNTIL THEY HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE.

    This is what SEPARATES Christianity from every other religion because it is NOT OF HUMAN ORIGIN.
    IT IS NOT MAN-MADE, BUT IT IS FROM HEAVEN.

    IN EVERY OTHER RELIGION, SALVATION IS BY YOUR OWN “WORKS”, BY “HUMAN EFFORT”.
    IN CHRISTIANITY, SALVATION IS BY GOD’S WORK ON THE CROSS, IT IS FREE THROUGH FAITH.

    “God saved you through faith as an act of kindness. You had nothing to do with it. Being saved is a gift from God. It’s not the result of anything you’ve done, so no one can brag about it.” (Eph 2:8,9)

    IN EVERY OTHER RELIGION, IT IS MAN’S ATTEMPT TO REACH GOD.
    IN CHRISTIANITY, IT IS GOD’S ATTEMPT TO REACH MAN.
    *******************************************************************************************************************
    [Why aren’t you a Muslim, Mormon, or Hindu?]

    The reason I am not a Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist is simple:

    “YOU HAVE NOT CHOSEN ME, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU.” (John 15:16a)

    “According as HE HAS CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,….Having PREDESTINATED US UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST to himself,.”
    (Eph 1:4,5)

    “….because GOD HAS FROM THE BEGINNING CHOSEN YOU to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and BELIEF OF THE TRUTH:” (2nd Thessalonians 2:13b)

    God is OMNISCIENT and Knows ALL THINGS.
    HE KNEW BEFOREHAND WHO WOULD BELIEVE AND WHO WOULD NOT.

    “But there are some of you that DO NOT BELIEVE. (For JESUS KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING who they were that did not believe and who should betray him.)” (John 6:64)
    ***********************************************************************************************************************
    [Love does not create an eternal evil of infinite torment. Sorry.]

    Richard, consider this……
    If you have ever seen a “Magic Act”, where you see an illusion preformed that SEEMS to defy all logic and rational thought.
    But there is a PART OF THAT ILLUSION THAT YOU CANNOT SEE, A PART THAT IS MISSING.
    And if you were ABLE TO SEE THAT MISSING PART THAT WAS VEILED, THE ILLUSION WOULD BE EXPOSED, AND YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HOW HE DID IT.

    It is the same CONCEPT when the “Carnal” mind tries to understand “Spiritual” things.
    There is a PART that our eyes CANNOT SEE UNTIL we are “Born of the Spirit”.
    You will KNOW IT WHEN IT HAPPENS and NOT UNTIL THEN.

    The Bible says that Hell was NOT created for humans, but for the devil and his angels.

    “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Mt 25:41)

    I do not want to get too deep into this because you probably wont receive it anyway.
    But there is a Real TORMENT that takes place in the spirit realm when the wicked are treated with Love……Its just as real as REAL TORMENT.

    “Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap COALS OF FIRE ON HIS HEAD” (Romans 12:20)

    Also the Word says that…

    “GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL” (1st John 1:5b)

    If we do not choose God, there is NOTHING LEFT BUT DARKNESS…..

    “And this is the CONDEMNATION: that LIGHT HAS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN HAVE LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, because their deeds were EVIL” (John 3:19)

    GOD DOES NOT SEND ANYONE TO HELL, WE CHOOSE DARKNESS WHEN WE REJECT THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
    THIS IS WHY JESUS CAME TO “SAVE” US FROM OUR SINS, TO SAVE US FROM DARKNESS, TO KEEP US FROM BEING SEPARATED FROM HIM.

    Jesus REVEALS the HEART OF THE FATHER…..

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD NOT PERISH but have everlasting life. For God sent NOT HIS SON into the world TO CONDEMN the world; but that the world THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED.” (John 3:16,17)

    “For the Son of man is NOT COME TO DESTROY men’s lives, BUT TO SAVE them.” (Luke 9:56)

    “:…for I CAME NOT TO JUDGE the world, BUT TO SAVE the world” (John 12:47b)

    “For THE FATHER JUDGES NO MAN but has committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22)

    “Ye judge after the flesh, but I JUDGE NO ONE.” (John 8:15)

    5 scriptures from the mouth of Jesus, revealing the HEART of the Father, declaring that HE CAME NOT TO CONDEMN, JUDGE, or DESTROY men, but to SAVE THEM.
    ***********************************************************************************************************************
    Take Care Richard……….

  75. Posted March 10, 2015 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    Why do you keep saying I believe without evidence?
    Every one of my responses has answered your question.
    The EVIDENCE is “Spiritual”, which is more REAL than “Natural” evidence.
    If your asking me if “I” can give “You” this evidence, the answer is NO,

    We are using different definitions of evidence. When I speak of evidence, I mean objective evidence that can be established as true and distinguished from mere imagination. Your “evidence” is nothing but subjective feelings that could be (and probably are) nothing but the product of your imagination and religious programming. Can you prove me wrong? Of course not. Therefore, you have no evidence.

    This is what SEPARATES Christianity from every other religion because it is NOT OF HUMAN ORIGIN.
    IT IS NOT MAN-MADE, BUT IT IS FROM HEAVEN.

    Actually, it is what makes Christianity identical to all the other religious cults that are based on blind belief.

    The reason I am not a Hindu or Muslim or Buddhist is simple:

    “YOU HAVE NOT CHOSEN ME, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU.” (John 15:16a)

    “According as HE HAS CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,….Having PREDESTINATED US UNTO THE ADOPTION OF CHILDREN BY JESUS CHRIST to himself,.”
    (Eph 1:4,5)

    Lovely! If God has not chosen me then there is nothing I can do about it. Why are you wasting your breath preaching at me? Your religion is totally fatalistic. The only people who reject Christ are those that God chose to reject Christ. They had no choice of any kind.

    It is the same CONCEPT when the “Carnal” mind tries to understand “Spiritual” things.
    There is a PART that our eyes CANNOT SEE UNTIL we are “Born of the Spirit”.
    You will KNOW IT WHEN IT HAPPENS and NOT UNTIL THEN.

    If there were a part I could not see you could at least state what it is! But you can’t do that. What do you imagine you are “seeing” that I cannot see? Why can’t you even state what it is?

    If we do not choose God, there is NOTHING LEFT BUT DARKNESS…..

    What you really mean is if I do not submit to your religious cult. When religion rules on earth, it threatens painful death and eternal torment to any who refuse to submit. That is not what I call “light.”

    Your doctrines are ludicrous. You assert that God has set things up so I must claim to believe things I cannot know or suffer eternal torment. And when I finally do discover the truth after death, it will be too late. This is the deep perversity of your doctrine.

  76. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    [When I speak of evidence, I mean objective evidence that can be established]

    Read this as God READS YOUR MAIL…..IT IS WRITTEN…

    “The Pharisees and Sadducees came TO TEST JESUS. So they asked him to show them
    A MIRACULOUS SIGN FROM HEAVEN He responded to them, “In the evening you say that the weather will be fine because the sky is red. And in the morning you say that there will be a storm today because the sky is red and overcast.YOU CAN FORECAST THE WEATHER BY OBSERVING THE APPEARANCE OF THE SKY, BUT YOU CANNOT INTERPRET THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES.
    EVIL AND UNFAITHFUL PEOPLE LOOK FOR A MIRACULOUS SIGN. (MT 16:1-4)

    These same people SAW JESUS HEAL THE SICK, CAST OUT DEVILS, RAISE THE DEAD, MIRACULOUSLY FEED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, but they still did not believe…..
    AND IT IS NO DIFFERENT TODAY…

    “Although they had SEEN Jesus perform so many miracles, THEY WOULD NOT BELIEVE IN HIM.” (John 12:37)
    ********************************************************************************************************************

    [Actually, it is what makes Christianity identical to all the other religious cults that are based on blind belief.]

    On the contrary, all other religions are based on “blind faith” BECAUSE THEY NEITHER HAVE NATURAL or SPIRITUAL EVIDENCE.
    WE HAVE SPIRITUAL EVIDENCE which is MORE REAL THAN NATURAL EVIDENCE.

    IT IS WRITTEN’…..

    “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for FLESH AND BLOOD HAS NOT ” REVEALED” THIS TO YOU, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.” (MT 16:16)

    “At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, I thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE and CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO CHILDREN. (MT 11:25)

    Richard, God is seeking men and women with a HUMBLE HEART that come to Him in HUMILITY.

    BUT BLESSED ARE YOUR EYES, FOR THEY SEE, AND YOUR EARS, FOR THEY HEAR.
    (MT 13:16).
    *********************************************************************************************************************

    [Lovely! If God has not chosen me then there is nothing I can do about it.]

    Richard, listen to yourself……WHO SAID GOD DID NOT CHOOSE YOU???

    IT IS WRITTEN….

    “But AS MANY AS RECEIVED JESUS, TO THEM gave he power to become the sons of God,
    even TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME..”(John 1:12)

    “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and WHOSOEVER COMES TO ME I WILL NEVER REJECT.” (John 6:37)

    Don’t you understand that WE ARE ALL BORN UNBELIEVERS IN JESUS??
    WE ARE ALL “CALLED” MY FRIEND, the CHOSEN ARE THOSE WHO “RECEIVE” THE CALL.
    Richard, THERE IS AN APPOINTED TIME FOR YOUR CALL, BE PATIENT AND SEEK THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND GOD PROMISES THAT YOU WILL FIND HIM.

    “You will seek me AND FIND ME when you seek me with ALL YOUR HEART.” (Jeremiah 29:13)
    *******************************************************************************************************************

    [The only people who reject Christ are those that God chose to reject Christ. They had no choice of any kind.]

    Richard, God never CHOSE PEOPLE TO REJECT CHRIST, this statement OPPOSES the WORD OF GOD.
    This is the “anti-christ spirit” at work in your mind whether you believe it or not, and until you receive the BLOOD OF JESUS for the remission of your sins, it will continue to get worse.

    THE WHOLE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL IS A CHOICE !!!

    IT IS WRITTEN..

    “For THIS IS THE WILL OF MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who sees the Son and trusts in Him, SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE..” (John 6:40a)

    “I am the door: by me IF ANY MAN ENTER in, he shall be saved,..” (John 10:9a)

    “That WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:15)

    “That WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have EVERLASTING life.(John 3:16b)

    “Truly, truly, I say to you, WHOSOEVER hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life,” (John 5:24a)

    “.., but God is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that
    ALL should come to REPENTANCE.” (2nd Peter 3:9)
    ********************************************************************************************************************

    [You assert that God has set things up so I must claim to believe things I cannot know]

    I am not saying that at all, as ALL OF MY RESPONSES HAVE DECLARED TO YOU THE WORD OF GOD AND THE WAY GOD REVEALS HIMSELF TO US.
    GOD REVEALS HIMSELF THROUGH HIS WORD…THROUGH HIS WORD…THROUGH HIS WORD..

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    “RETURN TO MY COUNCIL behold, I will pour out MY SPIRIT to you, I WILL MAKE KNOWN MY WORDS TO YOU” (Proverbs 1:23)

    “Have not I written to you excellent things in counsels and knowledge,
    That I might MAKE YOU KNOW THE CERTAINTY OF THE WORDS OF TRUTH.” (Proverbs 22:20,21)

    THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO DO WHAT JESUS SAYS TO DO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO RECEIVE THIS SPIRITUAL EVIDENCE WHICH IS THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE.

    “But that on the GOOD GROUND are they, which in an HONEST AND GOOD HEART, having heard THE WORD, KEEP IT, and bring forth FRUIT with patience.” (Luke 8:15)

    Richard, the EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, COMES AT HARVEST TIME.
    THE HARVEST IN THIS PARABLE IS THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE.
    BUT YOUR DOUBTS AND OPPOSITION TO THE WORD OF GOD IS MAKING YOUR HEART BAD GROUND SO THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE HARVEST TO COME.
    *********************************************************************************************************************

    [Why are you wasting your breath preaching at me?]

    Richard, I’m not wasting my breath sharing with you what God has shared with me.
    In fact, because I was once where you are now, God has given me this assignment.
    Why? Because I remember what my life was like before the LOVE OF JESUS BROKE THROUGH THE DARK VEIL THAT WAS UPON MY EYES.
    WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER…..

    “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: UNTIL WE ALL COME INTO THE UNITY OF THE FAITH, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:” (EPH 4:11-13)
    *********************************************************************************************************************
    Richard, God has an APPOINTED TIME FOR YOUR CALL..
    Prepare yourself for it, humble yourself and come back home because YOUR FATHER IS WAITING FOR YOU WITH OPEN ARMS OF LOVE.
    Take care, Richard….

    “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.”

    How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.” 9MT 18:11-14)

  77. Posted March 10, 2015 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    These same people SAW JESUS HEAL THE SICK, CAST OUT DEVILS, RAISE THE DEAD, MIRACULOUSLY FEED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, but they still did not believe…..
    AND IT IS NO DIFFERENT TODAY…

    I agree it’s no different today. The world is filled with religious frauds claiming to be able to do miracles and convincing gullible believers to join their cult. Joseph Smith made up one of the most blatantly fraudulent religions and he now has millions of followers. If he could do that in an age of telegraphs, photographs, newspapers, and fact-checkers, how much easier would it have been to make up a religion in the first century? There is absolutely no reason to think that Christianity is any more legitimate than Mormonism. Religions are not looking for skeptical fact-checkers. The are looking for fools who will believe what they are told.

    How do you know anyone actually saw any miracles? You don’t! You have no evidence at all. You are merely believing what you you were told to believe like a good Mormon, Muslim, or any other cult member.

  78. Posted March 10, 2015 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    On the contrary, all other religions are based on “blind faith” BECAUSE THEY NEITHER HAVE NATURAL or SPIRITUAL EVIDENCE.
    WE HAVE SPIRITUAL EVIDENCE which is MORE REAL THAN NATURAL EVIDENCE.

    IT IS WRITTEN’…..

    And how do you know your “spiritual evidence” is not just a product of your imagination, or worse, a Satanic delusion? You know the world is filled to overflowing with people proclaiming they have “spiritual evidence” that directly contradicts yours. How is anyone supposed to discern between truth and error if they only have their subjective “spiritual evidence” that so easily deceives? How do you know your “spiritual evidence” is not a delusion sent by the Devil to keep you from the True Religion of Mormonism?

  79. Posted March 10, 2015 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    WE ARE ALL “CALLED” MY FRIEND, the CHOSEN ARE THOSE WHO “RECEIVE” THE CALL.

    The Bible says it is impossible for anyone to receive the call unless the Father had already chosen them. There is nothing anyone can do to change their fate. Every person who goes to hell was doomed from the womb because God chose them to go to hell before they were even born. According to the Bible, no one has the ability to choose Jesus. They must first be chosen by God and regenerated by the Holy Spirit before the can believe.

  80. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    [You are merely believing what you you were told…]

    Well, you are right about that, I did what JESUS told me to do in THE WORD.
    I had no reason to doubt JESUS, He DEMONSTRATED His Love for me on the cross.

    In the Bible, there are numerous times when Jesus touched someone and IMMEDIATELY they were healed, INSTANTANEOUSLY.
    This is what happen to me in my room, BROKEN HEART, DEPRESSION, ADDICTIONS, & FEAR,
    INSTANTLY & IMMEDIATELY DESTROYED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST !!
    PRAISE, GLORY & HONOR BE TO JESUS FOR EVERMORE !!!
    ********************************************************************************************************************
    [You have no evidence at all.]

    Well, I couldn’t record it on video because it happened WITHOUT WARNING…..
    I was minding my OWN BUSINESS at the time, not even reading the bible or praying,..

    “Then SUDDENLY, the Lord you are looking for will come to his Temple” (Malachi 3:1b)

    My evidence is…
    NO MORE BROKEN HEART,
    NO MORE ADDICTIONS,
    NO MORE FEAR,
    SALVATION, SINS FORGIVEN, ETERNAL LIFE WITH JESUS
    THE REALITY OF GOD, REAL PEACE,
    AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO IS MY HELPER MY GUIDE, & MY TEACHER.
    ********************************************************************************************************************

    [If there were a part I could not see you could at least state what it is! But you can’t do that. What do you imagine you are “seeing” that I cannot see? Why can’t you even state what it is?]

    Richard, I have told you over and over again WHAT THE PART IS THAT YOU CANNOT SEE….

    IT IS THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE..
    IT IS BEING BORN OF THE SPIRIT..
    IT IS THE SPIRITUAL BIRTH…
    IT IS THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST..
    IT IS WHEN GOD REVEALS HIMSELF TO YOU IN REALITY…

    Can you SEE a BABY while it is still in the womb?
    No…you must wait for the BIRTH to SEE it.

    Can you SEE APPLE’S while the seed is still under the ground?
    No..you must wait till HARVEST to SEE them.

    The Purpose of a SEED, is to reveal what is HIDDEN on the inside.

    “The seed is the Word of God” (Luke 8:11)

    The Harvest is the BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE.

    You asked me,….’Why can’t I state what it is?”..

    WELL, THE TRUTH IS, I HAVE, NUMEROUS TIMES AND I JUST DID AGAIN, ABOVE….

    WHAT YOU ARE REALLY ASKING ME, IS TO IMPART OR ACTIVATE THIS VERY EXPERIENCE IN YOUR LIFE, SO THAT YOU CAN EXPERIENCE IT TOO,.. BUT I CAN NOT DO THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT GOD…..
    IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO “IMPARTS” THIS SPIRITUAL BIRTH AFTER YOU HAVE OBEYED WHAT JESUS HAS INSTRUCTED TO DO, WHICH IS TO PLANT OR RECEIVE HIS WORD IN AN HONEST & GOOD HEART, KEEP HIS WORD, LOVE HIM & WAIT FOR THE HARVEST.

    “He that has my commandments and KEEPS THEM, he it is that loves me; and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him and I WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.”(John 14:21)

  81. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    [And how do you know your “spiritual evidence” is not just a product of your imagination, or worse, a Satanic delusion?]

    Richard, Satan is the one who causes DEPRESSION, BROKEN HEART, & ADDICTIONS.
    The devil CANNOT HEAL…

    IT IS WRITTEN..

    “A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.” (John 10:10b)

    “And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?”
    (MT 12:26)
    *******************************************************************************************************************

  82. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    [According to the Bible, no one has the ability to choose Jesus.]

    There is a reason why your not backing up your statements with Scripture…

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    “That WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” (John 3:15)

    “That WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have EVERLASTING life.(John 3:16b)

    “Truly, truly, I say to you, WHOSOEVER hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life,” (John 5:24a)

    “But AS MANY AS RECEIVED JESUS, TO THEM gave he power to become the sons of God,
    even TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME..”(John 1:12)

  83. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    [According to the Bible, no one has the ability to choose Jesus.]

    If that were true, and it’s not, then there is no reason for the GREAT COMMISSION….

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    And he said unto them, Go ye into ALL THE WORLD, and preach the gospel TO EVERY CREATURE. HE THAT BELIEVES and is baptized shall be saved;..”(Mark 16:15a)

    “Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 2Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” (MT 28:19,20)

    “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in MY NAME among ALL NATIONS, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:47)

  84. Posted March 10, 2015 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    [According to the Bible, no one has the ability to choose Jesus.]

    If that were true, and it’s not, then there is no reason for the GREAT COMMISSION….

    Not necessarily. Calvinists explain that the Great Commission is merely how God ordained his plan to proceed. It does not contradict the doctrine of election. This is the problem you seem to be ignoring. The Bible plainly teaches that God and God alone chooses who will be saved (the Elect). It has nothing to do with you or you would have something to boast about, like “Look how good I am! I chose God!” which directly contradicts Romans 3:11 “there is none that seeketh after God.”

    You have rejected the Reformed Faith. So what denomination are you, and why do you think you are right and all the Reformers are wrong? And if they were wrong about something as fundamental as salvation, why believe anything they said? Who now is in charge of Bible interpretation? Who invented the religion you follow? You? Is that it? Have you invented your own religion?

  85. Posted March 10, 2015 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    [And how do you know your “spiritual evidence” is not just a product of your imagination, or worse, a Satanic delusion?]

    Richard, Satan is the one who causes DEPRESSION, BROKEN HEART, & ADDICTIONS.
    The devil CANNOT HEAL…

    You need to study the Bible more: 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;

    2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    How do you know God has not deceived you? The Bible says the heart is deceitful! Are you trusting your own heart?

  86. Posted March 10, 2015 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Well, you are right about that, I did what JESUS told me to do in THE WORD.
    I had no reason to doubt JESUS, He DEMONSTRATED His Love for me on the cross.

    Come on Chuck! Do you really think I’m an idiot? Your logic does not follow. You don’t know what “Jesus” said. You only know what you’ve been TOLD that Jesus said in a freaking BOOK written by humans!

    How many books written by humans do you trust as the “Word of God”? Muslims believe absolutely that the Qu’ran is the Word of God. Why are you right and they wrong? Is there any logic in your brain at all? Have you never even considered these questions? I mean, seriously! Are you brainwashed? How would you know if you were?

  87. chuck
    Posted March 10, 2015 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    “Who is a LIAR but he that DENIES that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTI-CHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1st John 2:22)

    “If a man ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, and THEY ARE BURNED.” (John 15:6)

    “”Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, SHALL BE ROOTED UP. Let them alone: THEY BE BLIND LEADERS OF THE BLIND. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” (MT 15:13,14)

    “…as also among you there shall be FALSE TEACHERS, who shall secretly bring in destructive heresies, and EVEN DENY THE LORD WHO BOUGHT THEM, bringing SWIFT DESTRUCTION on themselves.” (2Peter 2:1,2)

    “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:6-8)

    “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTI-CHRIST shall come, even now are there many ANTI-CHRISTS; whereby we know that it is the last time. THEY WENT OUT FROM US, BUT THEY WERE NOT OF US, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but THEY WENT OUT, that they might be made manifest that THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US.”
    (1st John 2:18,19)

    “Therefore I said unto you that you shall die in your sins, for IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM,
    YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS..” (John 8:24)

  88. Posted March 11, 2015 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTI-CHRIST shall come, even now are there many ANTI-CHRISTS;

    Ha! Look at what you quoted! When was it written? In the first century, about two thousand years ago. What does it say? That the “last time” was happening at the time it was written, in the first century! And you think it is happening today?

    Christians are so funny. Another endtimer told me that she knew Jesus was “coming soon” because he said so in the Bible … about two thousand years ago!

  89. chuck
    Posted March 11, 2015 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    [Christians are so funny. Another endtimer told me that she knew Jesus was “coming soon” because he said so in the Bible … about two thousand years ago!]

    2000 years ago, the HOLY SPIRIT by the Apostle Peter, KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT AND READ YOUR MAIL !!

    IT IS WRITTEN….

    “Most importantly, I want to remind you that IN THE LAST DAY SCOFFERS WILL COME, MOCKING THE TRUTH and following after their own desires. They will say, “WHAT HAPPEN TO THE PROMISE THAT JESUS IS COMING AGAIN? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.” They deliberately forget that God made the heavens by the word of his command, and he brought the earth out from the water and surrounded it with water. Then he used the water to destroy the ancient world with a mighty flood. AND BY THE SAME WORD, THE PRESENT HEAVENS AND EARTH HAVE BEEN STORED UP FOR FIRE.
    THEY ARE BEING KEPT FOR THE DAY O JUDGEMENT, WHEN UNGODLY PEOPLE WILL BE DESTROYED. But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A DAY IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS TO THE LORD, AND A THOUSAND YEARS LIKE A DAY. THE LORD IS NOT REALLY SLOW ABOUT HIS PROMISE, AS SOME PEOPLE THINK. NO, HE IS BEING PATIENT FOR YOUR SAKE. HE DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE DESTROYED, BUT WANTS EVERYONE TO REPENT.(2 Peter 3:3-9)

  90. Posted March 11, 2015 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    2000 years ago, the HOLY SPIRIT by the Apostle Peter, KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT AND READ YOUR MAIL !!

    Ha! There you go again! Proving you reject what the Bible plainly states. Peter was talking about the “end times scoffers” that were mocking Christians back in the first century because they preached that Jesus was coming back “soon” and everyone could see that he wasn’t. Christianity began as a failed doomsday cult, and that’s why it continues to this day. You are told you must “believe” without evidence so when all the predictions fail you can think you are “holy” and “saved” because you continue to believe despite all the evidence. It’s the oldest trick in the book. All cults are based on it. Read the wiki article on the book When Prophecy Fails. It will set you free if you don’t close your eyes to the truth.

  91. chuck
    Posted March 11, 2015 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    “ANSWER A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOOLISHNESS OR
    HE WILL BECOME WISE IN HIS OWN EYES.”
    (Proverbs 26:5)

    “KNOWING THIS FIRST THAT THERE SHALL COME MOCKERS IN THE LAST DAYS SAYING, ‘WHERE IS THE PROMISE OF HIS COMING”?….BUT DO NOT BE IGNORANT OF THIS ONE THING,
    THAT ONE DAY WITH THE LORD IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS, AND A THOUSAND YEARS LIKE A DAY…BUT THIS THEY ARE WILLINGLY IGNORANT OF…” (2 Peter 3:3,4,8,5)

    “WHOSOEVER DESPISES GOD’S WORDS WILL BE DESTROYED,
    BUT HE THAT FEARS THE COMMANDMENT WILL BE REWARDED.” (Proverbs 13:13)

  92. Posted March 11, 2015 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN…

    “ANSWER A FOOL ACCORDING TO HIS FOOLISHNESS OR
    HE WILL BECOME WISE IN HIS OWN EYES.”
    (Proverbs 26:5)

    And it is also written (in the previous verse):

    Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    I think you should read those two verses like a dozen times. And then take a breath.

  93. chuck
    Posted March 11, 2015 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN;;;

    “PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE,
    THEY BECAME UTTER FOOLS” (Romans 1:22)

    “….EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM,
    AND BRINGING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION” (2nd Peter 2:1b)

    “AND YOU WILL NOT COME TO ME THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE LIFE” (John 5:40)

  94. Posted March 12, 2015 at 5:40 am | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN;;;

    “PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE,
    THEY BECAME UTTER FOOLS” (Romans 1:22)

    Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

  95. chuck
    Posted March 12, 2015 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN…

    “:…for I CAME NOT TO JUDGE the world, BUT TO SAVE the world” (John 12:47b)

    “For THE FATHER JUDGES NO MAN but has committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22)

    “Ye judge after the flesh, but I JUDGE NO ONE.” (John 8:15)

  96. Carroll Sanders
    Posted April 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Your quote: This is the great mystery that now confronts me. The evidence for the Bible Wheel remains despite the obvious flaws in the Bible. So what does it mean? I don’t know yet, and before trying to come to a conclusion, I feel a need to critique my own book with the same honesty I have critiqued the Bible upon which it is based.

    There is a Wheel of Truth (Ezekiel 1:16) within your Bible Wheel and the spirit of wisdom and revelation will open the eyes of your understanding… Ephesians 1:17-18 to that truth.

    Carroll & Margie Sanders

  97. Posted April 2, 2015 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Your quote: This is the great mystery that now confronts me. The evidence for the Bible Wheel remains despite the obvious flaws in the Bible. So what does it mean? I don’t know yet, and before trying to come to a conclusion, I feel a need to critique my own book with the same honesty I have critiqued the Bible upon which it is based.

    There is a Wheel of Truth (Ezekiel 1:16) within your Bible Wheel and the spirit of wisdom and revelation will open the eyes of your understanding… Ephesians 1:17-18 to that truth.

    Hi Carroll and Margie,

    The words you quoted is what I believed before I debunked myself. You will note they are now struck out on the side bar. The power of self-deception should be evident in that it took me the full years after Christianity before I had the clarity of thought to see the errors which now are so obvious. If you would like to understand what I’m talking about, see these articles:

    Debunking Myself: What A Long Strange Trip It’s Been

    Debunking Myself: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

    The Bible Wheel: Patternicity on Steroids

    Battle of the Bible Wheels: Catholic vs. Protestant

    You say there is a “Wheel of Truth” within the Bible Wheel? What are you talking about? I used to believe that the Bible Wheel was the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy. Click the link to see what I mean.

  98. Valentine
    Posted May 30, 2015 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard,

    You have done some real great work with the Bible Wheel, I am only new and I am finding it fascinating.

    You have done such great work for Jesus.

    I am Christian and I keep things simple. I am not an educated person in terms of schooling or intelligence.

    If you are baptized into Christ? and you say you have given up on him, One thing I know, Jesus has not given up on you.Come back brother all you need to do is repent. Jesus has his plan for each of us.

    May the Lord bless you and keep you
    May the make his face shine on you and be gracious to you
    May the turn his face towards you and give you peace.

    Love Valentine

  99. Posted May 30, 2015 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    I am Christian and I keep things simple. I am not an educated person in terms of schooling or intelligence.

    If you are baptized into Christ? and you say you have given up on him, One thing I know, Jesus has not given up on you.Come back brother all you need to do is repent. Jesus has his plan for each of us.

    Hey there Valentine,

    It’s not that I’ve “given up on Christ” but rather have seen that the Bible is not true. If you think I have erred in my conclusion, all you need to do is show me my error. It really makes no sense to tell me to “repent” from the seeing reality, does it?

    All the best,

    Richard

  100. Pastor Excel
    Posted June 7, 2015 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Oh, the other issue of God not answering prayers can also be explained. You can not have access to a car if you don’t have the keys to the car. Also, if you don’t have the correction telephone number combination of a person, you can never reach that person.

    The reason people don’t get answers to their prayers is because they pray amiss. They pray amiss because they don’t have the keys of the kingdom. There are the keys of the kingdom and the appropriate application of these keys and without knowing the keys and how to apply them, we can never have access to the kingdom of heaven and his many treasures. For more details, see:https://thethirdelijah.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/the-keys-of-the-kingdom/.

  101. Saint Peter
    Posted June 21, 2015 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    R.A. what exactly are the errors or contradictions you speak of in the bible? I am an atheist turned christian. I find it very hard to believe that you have found errors in the bible that I have never heard of. Your 3 reasons that you posted are very vague.

    I will like to discuss the concept of hell. Have you ever wondered if Hell could be annihilation?

    The only verses that really support a forever and ever punishing ae found in revelation. This book is written in pictures to portray a message. I do not think we should be building a doctrine of hekll being a forever burning fire that eternally torments those who don’t believe the message.

    What did the gospels and the letters say Hell was.

    Mt 25:46 “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Eternal punishment could be a punishment with an eternal consequence. It does not have to be a continuous torment forever and ever.

    Jude 13: “for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever” “outer Darkness” Lk 13:27

    Darkness fire isnt dark but actually light. Cease to exist seems plausible here as well.

    2 Th 1:9 And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord

    Again could be one penalty that is forever. One with an eternal consequence. Being away from the presence of the Lord implies ceasing to exist. How else can be away from his presence since God is everywhere.

    There are many possibilities about hell that some havent considered. It could be that there is punishing to some degree and then annihilated. Whatever the case I am sure it will be just. The fact is all humans should be punished forever. We do not deserve to be in the presence of God who is holy and without sin.

  102. Josef Sefton
    Posted June 22, 2015 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    A defiantly rebellious man doesn’t have an intimate relationship with God. When a man chooses, year after year, to live a self sufficient life he announces that he is unwilling to submit to the will of God. The situation is that he is unsaved and has no intimate relationship with His Maker.

    New Age movement dishonors God, so God’s will is to resist everything about it, for its origin is Satan. It’s unclean and God teaches that we need to be a seeker of purity!

    The sinless Son of God is the pure One. Invite Him to be your teacher and if you start consistently trusting and obeying Him, you will also be blessed to value the Bible highly. Enjoy your Bible studies!

  103. Reine Gnade
    Posted June 23, 2015 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    What is Satan’s goal? His goal is to have man worship him? He is very intellient, gifted musically and skilled as an orator, but he is a rebel and the father of lies.

    Never forget that this cunning liar has a deep hatred for everything the LORD is. One of his tactics is to promote impurity and teach that impurity is good. Beware because Satan twists everything.

    Hollywood has long been run by worshippers of Satan. They use their actors and singers to promote impurity, so that society is weakened and easily exploited. Likewise the New Age movement is satanic from start to finish. Waring: Reject everything that Hollywood and the New Age movement teach, for they are haters of God.

  104. josef.sefton.1
    Posted June 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    josef.sefton.1ing James Version (KJV)

    For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

    And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God
    Here we learn that Job believed in eternity and
    an eternal redeemer.

  105. josef.sefton.1
    Posted June 29, 2015 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    All true believers believe that God, their redeemer, is eternal.

  106. NameChangePolice
    Posted June 30, 2015 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Commandment number 12:

    “Thou shalt not use more than one pseudonym on the same website”.

  107. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 2, 2015 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    I am glad someone is noticing my sense of humor. I certainly wouldn’t want to be considered a mindless robot by promoters of mostly false teachings. Dear readers, it’s time for you to search seriously for the sinless Son of God.

    I know that My Redeemer lives
    Our Lord is phenomenally compassionate

  108. MichaelFree
    Posted July 2, 2015 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    josef.sefton.1,

    I was the one who commented under the name NameChangePolice. I only used that pseudonym in order to point out that your name changes are annoying. Don’t you see that some people here may think that you are more than one person all proclaiming the same similar bs? It’s not right.

    I told you the reason that I used a different name. The only reasoning that you’ve put forth for using multiple pseudonyms is that you find it humorous. What is so humorous about it?

  109. MichaelFree
    Posted July 2, 2015 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    If we don’t accept all human beings as the same one human being in terms of how we treat them in fundamental ways, then we are transgressing against God’s law. When we look upon women as less than men, or people of one religion as less than another, or someone’s race or nationality as inferior to someone elses, or tell homosexuals that they are evil, we are transgressing God’s law. It is written in Truth. It is how we treat one another in fundamental ways, even in how we view them in the afterlife. These are human judgments that make us do these bad things to one another, to look down upon one another, to judge them falsely, and not hold them to the same standard that we hold for people that are just like us. You are to respect people not like yourself in fundamental ways including ways of judgment. If you don’t do these things then you transgress the One True God’s law. by God, and by the blood of all the righteous that have ever lived. If you don’t give the righteous Buddhist his righteousness that he did, and your God denies him, then your God denies righteousness itself, for the Buddhist performed righteousness in the Spirit of righteousness. There are many religions that proclaim the Golden Rule. It comes from the same source. All praise goes to it. To righteousness.

  110. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 3, 2015 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    Michael, why do continue to write in such an unbiblical way? When will you make an effort to understand that Buddhists are sinners, like everyone else?

    I believe in the final judgment

    It amazes me how easily you refuse to heed what the LORD teaches about man. Your teaching is satanic, because sinful man needs to hear that he is a sinner. Truly easily annoyed Michael, you are the one behaving wrong before God.

    Michael, you claim to prize righteousness, but your teaching is anchored in unrighteousness, for
    anyone who avoids teaching that man is a sinner in need of salvation has no or scant understanding of what God’s will is.

  111. MichaelFree
    Posted July 3, 2015 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    josef.sefton.1,

    Righteousness is unbiblical because the bible is unrighteous.

    A righteous Buddhist is righteous, and not a sinner.

    The lord in the bible has human sin attributed to its words and to its deeds.

    My teaching says to not lie, to not steal, and to not murder, and you call it satanic because your religion is evil.

    Your constant name changes are a hairs length from being lies, and you have the nerve to call me “easily annoyed” because I point out how annoying your behavior is in this regard. Your religion should teach people not to lie and to understand what lying is.

    Righteousness is salvation.

    Human beings are sovereign beings.

  112. MichaelFree
    Posted July 3, 2015 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    josef.sefton.1,

    You bow to a thief, a physical assaulter, a rapist, a murderer, a torturer, and an enslaver, and you call it righteous because that book is evil. You call your murdering god love and truth because your religion is based on lies and hate and fear. And that’s the mystery of the bible, and it’s in plain site: the bible god is evil, and you give your energy to it, and thus you forgo righteousness, you forgo the pure and true way.

  113. Josef Sefton
    Posted July 4, 2015 at 1:22 am | Permalink
  114. Josef Sefton
    Posted July 4, 2015 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    Michael. do you not understand that you are a sinner? Do you not understand that no human being apart from Lord Jesus ever lived a sinless life? Do you not understand Michael. ike billions of other people. you need to desire to put your wholehearted trust in God’s sinless Son. otherwise you will fall short of glorifying Him?

  115. MichaelFree
    Posted July 6, 2015 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    God is righteousness.

    How do humans beings express the Spirit of righteousness, the Spirit of God? Through our words and through our deeds towards one another. Speak the truth, do not steal, and do not assault people physically. See each person as equal in this regard.

    Religion is not an excuse to murder. The righteous Jesus said to love one another and to help people who are in need. He spoke up for the righteous.

    Christianity’s Jesus, would have righteous Buddhists, garden living righteous Buddhists, condemned to torture by Jesus. Really the peasants ask? If I believe in this Jesus guy then I also have to believe that all my ancestors souls are being tortured by your Jesus? I don’t want to believe in him. Righteousness is better. The true way.

  116. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 6, 2015 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Righteousness and the sinless Son of God are inseparable. Your error, Michael, is that you want your word or will in this matter to prevail. Man can only truly honor the righteous author of life when hisheart’s desire is to submit his will to His will, for what He says and teaches in all matters is authorative.

    Lucifer refused to do this and he, now known as Satan, has deceived billions of the world’s population. The author of life is a real person who does correct, discpline, chastise, reproove and punish. He is love, but if man persists to live lawlessly refusing to acknowledge that He is worthy to be trusted and obeyed – on Judgment Day sinful, unrepentant will be found guilty or failing to glorify the LORD.

  117. Damon
    Posted July 7, 2015 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    My post is in reference to the comments made by Tim Griffoen, because I can certainly relate to his struggle with Genesis Chapter 1, and I feel great compassion for those who are making a sincere effort to understand the Word of God, because my heart is crushed by its beauty and wisdom, but regardless of how we may feel, we must continue our studies if we ever hope to gain true knowledge and wisdom of God, because Jesus left us a Comforter (G3875 “parakletos”) that will stay with us forever (John 14:16). Unlike others, we shouldn’t throw up our hands, deny the Truth, or simply quit, and we shouldn’t drown our sorrows in alcoholic beverage or numerous mind altering drugs, and we shouldn’t put our faith to the tests of the doctrines of men or women (for all those feminists out there), and we shouldn’t believe everything we hear from those handsomely paid preachers (I John 2:27), many of whom sell the Word of God for a profit for themselves. Personally, I put my trust in the Lord God, the All Knowing and Almighty, an invisible entity Who has existed throughout the eons, has no beginning or end, Who is not defined by time or space (our known physical dimensions), whose wisdom is beyond our meager ability to comprehend it, Who created all things, and continues to bless mankind more richly than is deserved. Some would say I believe in a myth, but I can only say that the most powerful forces in our known universe remain unseen and are not believed to exist until proven scientifically, and how is it possible to prove factually what we cannot first envision, hypothesize, or theorize, and in “science” today, there are many more unanswered than answered questions concerning Creation.

    I’ve read and also heard it said many times that “Scripture has many different interpretations”, and there are those who therefore refuse to even read It much less study It, while others reduce It to numbers in an attempt to justify their lack of knowledge or rationalize the “big picture”, when they cannot even visualize a snapshot. Many other “religions” say that God’s Word has been so contaminated by so many translators, that it is of little value, because it doesn’t represent the Truth, and we have been dealing with copies of copies for centuries (Thank God for the Dead Seas Scrolls). Regardless of what people may think they know, God’s Word has only “one” interpretation, but It has many misinterpretations, and our task is to find all the hidden treasures, secrets, and mysteries He has provided for us in His Word, because that is the only way we have on planet Earth of knowing God, and according to Scripture (John 1:18) “no man has seen God”. It is no wonder people are so confused concerning the Word of God. We have numerous translations (supposedly for easier reading and better understanding) and various religions that all profess to be the “true” religion but have little understanding that Jesus Christ only established “One” church, and it was humans who created the various doctrines and denominations.

    We have all become dependent on our digital appendages and rely heavily on the information highway, both of which are based primarily on the extrapolation of Moore’s Law (maybe Richard, the physicist, will explain Moore’s Law to those who lack an education in the laws of physics), which speaks to us in only two digits, the 1 and the 0. It is interesting to note that both Hebrew and Greek have a number 1 (echad and alpha), but the number 0 doesn’t exist in either language. Maybe the numerologists or the gematrians can explain that for all of us. We could ask Richard, but he has already debunked himself, or at least chosen another path, even though he has thus far been unable to define it physically, numerically, grammatically, or spiritually. Hopefully, the M theory or the Book of Enoch may assist him in his pursuits, since he is such a prolific writer of the uninspired, or should I say easily inspired.

    Sorry, I’m getting off track a little, because there is so much to discuss, and my primary reason for posting was to respond to Tim Griffoen and his mention of the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1. That chapter is referred to many times in Scripture, because it starts at the “beginning”, which is mentioned many times in Scripture, primarily by Isaish in the OT, and the Apostle John in the NT, and John certainly wrote a mouthful in John 1:1, just like Moses did in Genesis 1:1, but it is both those chapters that are really interesting. As Tim has done, I have read Genesis Chapter 1 many times, and the understanding of that chapter is very important in understanding Scripture, but in order to begin understanding it requires a word by word dissection of the Hebrew, not the translations of men, and I will use the KJV as my referring translation, because it was supposedly the first English translation, and even though it is filled with alterations, the meaning cannot be altered by mere mortals, but it is pretty clear to see that the alterations were designed by those followers of the edicts of the Nicene Council who sought to establish the Trinitarian doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church, which over 90% of “Christians” still adhere to today, and I can assure you that it is difficult to rebuke a 1,400 year old doctrine, just as it was for Jesus Christ to replace the Old Law with the New Law. As far as chapters and verses, I won’t comment on those divisions, except to say that chapters were accepted by men in the 13th century and verses in the 16th century and continue today, even though originally, all books of Scripture contained no such divisions. Furthermore, neither the Hebrew nor the Greek used punctuation marks. Men added those as they “divided” the Word of God, and most individuals just assume it was rightly divided, when according to the Apostle Paul, it is our personal responsibility (II Timothy 2:15), and we should come together and discuss it in order to gain understanding (Hebrews 10:25).

    Anyway, Genesis 1:1 contains 7 Hebrew words of 28 letters (Richard should love that), and the KJV translates them as “In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth”. The 1st Hebrew word (b-rashith) is translated as “in the beginning” (Hebrew “in-beginning”). Now, we have to determine when the beginning was, before we can move on to understand anything else in Genesis 1. Moses was writing about Creation, but he didn’t say when the beginning actually began and gave us no time frame to establish it. It wasn’t defined as Day 1 of Creation. It was simply a statement with no time frame attached and could easily have been billions or trillions of years ago, because time has little relevance to an eternal entity. The 2nd Hebrew word (bra) is translated as “created” (Hebrew “he-created”), and the 3rd Hebrew word (aliem) is translated as “God” (Hebrew “Elohim”), so now we know who the He was. I should also like to make a short comment about the word “Elohim”, which most say the –im denotes plurality in Hebrew, even though word 2 (a verb) denotes the Hebrew singularity, and we should try to understand that the verb is Hebrew singular, not plural, even though the Englsih “created” can be used with either singular or plural nouns (Another alteration often overlooked). The 4th Hebrew word (ath) is not translated directly in English but is an accusative preceding the sign of the definite direct object. The 5th Hebrew word (e-shmim) is translated as “the heaven” (Hebrew “the-heavens”). The Hebrew being plural, but the translation is singular, and I guess scholars don’t have to justify changes, and direct objects are not dictated by verbs. If we take time to read what Paul wrote in 2nd Corinthians 12:2, we might gain some understanding, because Paul clearly states a “third” heaven, and the Greek direct translation verifies it. So, from the Hebrew, we know there are “heavens”, even though we don’t know where they exist. If we bother to read the Book of Enoch, which many don’t even acknowledge, apparently Enoch spiritually traveled to 10 heavens, which may be related to the 10 dimensions of the M theory, but that is another topic. The 6th Hebrew word (u-ath) is translated as “and” (Hebrew “and” with “ath” again referring to the direct object), and the 7th Hebrew word (e-artz) is translated as “the earth” (Hebrew “the-earth”).

    So, what we now know from Genesis 1:1, with a good degree of accuracy, is that “In the beginning, God (He-Ehohim) created the heavens and the earth”. If anyone has an interest, we can delve into verse 2, because Scripture gets very interesting as we proceed, because we have not yet even touched on Day 1, and God’s Creation (Speaking) on that particular day. The only problem I may have is that it would take several pages to explain verse 2 in detail, and most may not want to take the time to even bother to read it, but please try to remember, as you read what I have written thus far, that the darkness appears in verse 2, before the Light appears in verse 3. It was interesting to read Tim’s summation of the Book of Job, because I find the interesting portion is in Chapter 1, specifically verse 6, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them”. We know Satan was a fallen angel, and is identified by name in Isaiah 14:12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! Art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” This is not an accurate translation but understandable to most. This is the first angel mentioned by name in Scripture, and the other two were Gabriel and Michael, and Lucifer was the only one called “Son of the Morning” (or was he?), and that is a very interesting study, because Cain was the firstborn son of Adam, and we all know that he slew his brother Abel.

  118. josef.sefton.1
    Posted July 8, 2015 at 2:20 am | Permalink
  119. craig
    Posted August 5, 2015 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    there are 66 nobs, bowls, and flowers on the menorah in the tabernacle representing the complete(7)light of the word of God is contained in the 66 books of the bible, no more no less. Awsome biblewheel thankyou Jesus,check out Rev. B.R.Hicks at christgospelchurch, book Precious Gem of the tabernacle and many more books she wrote(now 97yrsold), also shes livestream on fridaynite, she wrote Threefold nature of man (circa1961) (3wheels)bodysoulspirit) shes one of a kind, also Clarence Larkin Charts(circa1917ad),Carlos Suarez
    Quintessence of Quintessence(circa1946), awsome integration of Hebrew letters and the 66books, I would like medallion and stained glass but not important, I was baptised in Holy Ghost with tongues in 1980 after listening to testimony of Randy Cutlip(3dogniteband), in the middle of the nite,I pray you get an impericle (experience) of Jesus Christ, theoreticle is great but have to have the experience ye must be born-again, God weaps,cries,sufferslong,for lost souls and withholds Judgement(mercy) and gives eternal life(grace) look what Jesus went through Hell for you in your place,we are sinners from birth thats why everyone dies, we inherited from first Adam(death to everyone) satan wanted to destroy all mankind(jealousy hatred of God and pride) but Jesus the 2nd Adam through obedience to the Father(to be the sacrificial Lamb of God) has brought Life to all mankind (conquered Death and Hell) this is Gods way, we carry our crosses(believers and unbelievers) satan is subjected to the cross[(to and fro (job)], the mathmatical symbol for change is the triangle (Israely flag)(pyramides missing capstone,coincidence?I think not) love you Craig, time for coffee, and thankyou just stumbled on biblewheel yesterday and what a day but we are all heading forward,today is the day,now is the time the 6 thousand years of work is almost up and the 7th(rest,millineaum of Christ is O-SO-CLOSE).

  120. Josef Sefton
    Posted August 8, 2015 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Billions of people are deceived and enslaved by Satan. He was defeated at the cross, but he is still the father of lies.

  121. Jesus is risen
    Posted August 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm | Permalink
  122. Nomad
    Posted August 25, 2015 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    It certainly seems that everything written nowadays is backwards (at least to Arabs anyway). The seen confronts the unseen. The backwards confronts the forwards. Scriptural words confront delusions. Science confronts religion. Etc., etc. Such behavior among people often reminds me of a discussion I once had with a well educated, renowned “scientist” concerning an “invisible God”, because he only dealt in scientific fact. Ironically, his name was Jonah, and needless to say, Jonah didn’t understand how anyone could believe in, much less worship, an invisible God. So, I sent him a “scientific” question. I asked if he was familiar with the flight of the Voyager spacecraft. As our communication continued, I asked if he had ever bothered to look at the photograph, which is posted on the internet (Feb. 1990), of Earth that Voyager took as it left the Milky Way Galaxy, and I went on to explain that the photo shows an orange band with a small blue dot, which was circled by NASA, that showed Earth at the edge of our galaxy, because our little galaxy is only one of many, which are seen and theorized by “science”. So, I asked another couple questions. If we go 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 galaxies away from Earth, how would Earth appear. The only logical, scientific answer is that it would be “invisible” to any known methods we possess, and yet we know we exist. Needless to say, Jonah never responded to my posting, and I never heard from him again, even though I sent him my email address, asking that we please continue the discussion.

    Science and religion don’t conflict. They just don’t understand one another.

  123. Fred Koehler
    Posted September 22, 2015 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Richard, one area that caused you to renounce your faith was the issue of the severity of God’s judgement, but I believe that the judgement is severe because of who the offended one is (God.) I believe that God is a just judge because I believe that the bible is true and says that he is a God of justice, as well as because of my own intuition about who God is, and that God will judge every person in a just and fair way.

  124. Posted September 22, 2015 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    Richard, one area that caused you to renounce your faith was the issue of the severity of God’s judgement, but I believe that the judgement is severe because of who the offended one is (God.) I believe that God is a just judge because I believe that the bible is true and says that he is a God of justice, as well as because of my own intuition about who God is, and that God will judge every person in a just and fair way.

    Hi Fred,

    Thank you for your comments. The problem I have with God’s “judgment” is not that it is severe, but rather that it is entirely unjust and irrational. The Gospel itself is fundamentally immoral because it let’s the guilty go free if they believe the correct dogma while the just are punished if they do not. Christianity turns morality on its head.

  125. Zed Cartwright
    Posted September 22, 2015 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Hey dude I am 64 yrs. old and from the hay day of the hippies. I probably did more acid and heroin and dozens of other drugs than you could dream of. I went to the garden of Eden on an ecstasy trip. But all those hallucinations had nothing to do with enlightenment. I think you have the problem of thinking your superior intellect brought you to the realization that the Bible is false, after a few drug trips (delusion)not that you actually have proof of such. See you are way too full of yourself. You are very smart but playing a fools game. I read some of your previous writings on your wheel and just to let you know you weren’t hitting on all cylinders then. So instead of actually coming to the truth and backsliding you never obtained truth because you depended on your mental intellect not your spiritual desire. You want some evidence of what the word is really about? google Jesse Duplantis false teacher. This site reports the false teachings of this scammer who claimed to have went to heaven. At the end of the site is a comment section of which I posted many. Read my comments and you will see more evidence of God’s word as being true. Hopefully then you can not return, but finally arrive at true faith. That is if the truth is what you are really seeking rather than your pompous status on this site. No offense brother.

  126. Posted September 22, 2015 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Hey there Zed,

    Funny thing about your comments. They seem to be more about you than me. They make you look like the kind of pompous fool you despise. Your comments were not about me at all. I never brag like you! I never say things like “I took more drugs that you could dream of.” I never tell people their problem is that they think they have a “superior intellect.” But I do get that a lot from small-minded people concerned more with ego that intellect. If there is a flaw in something I’ve written, why not expose and explain it so every one could benefit? That certainly would be more useful than empty insults like “you weren’t hitting on all cylinders then” and my supposedly “pompous status” on this site.

    Your shallow “analysis” that I was never really a Christian because I depended on my “mental intellect” rather than my “spiritual desire” is as ignorant as it is arrogant. You don’t know me from Adam. You do not have the ability to judge whether or not I depended on my “spiritual desire.” You have no idea how many hours I prayed or in what ways I would try to humble myself before God. You know nothing of me, yet you exalt yourself above the stars and look down from your throne in judgement as if you were some sort of god?

    At least there is one point of agreement – Jesus Duplantis is a blatant charlatan.

  127. Posted September 22, 2015 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    google Jesse Duplantis false teacher. This site reports the false teachings of this scammer who claimed to have went to heaven. At the end of the site is a comment section of which I posted many. Read my comments and you will see more evidence of God’s word as being true. Hopefully then you can not return, but finally arrive at true faith. That is if the truth is what you are really seeking rather than your pompous status on this site. No offense brother.

    I found this site by adding your name Zed to the search: http://www.forgottenword.org/duplantis.html

    Is that the one you were talking about?

  128. MichaelFree
    Posted September 22, 2015 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Many Jews think that non-Jews are their slaves and are born to serve them personally (transgression = slavery).
    Many Christians think that non-Christians are destined to be eternally tortured in fire (transgression = torture).
    Many Muslims think that non-Muslims are destined to be eternally tortured in fire (transgression = torture).

    A righteous atheist can look at these three people, the Jew, the Christian, and the Muslim, and see that each has beliefs about the fate of non-believers in their faith that are actually transgressions, not by the non-believer, but by them, their religion, and ultimately, their own heart.

    The righteous atheist sees three transgressions above, whereas the so-called righteous Jew, Christian, or Muslim, only sees two transgressions. Who is more trustworthy, the Jew, the Christian, the Muslim, or the atheist? Who is more neighbor to the other? Who picks the other up when they have fallen by the wayside? How is it that you see two and not three transgressions above? Religion has the ability to make otherwise good people do terrible things in the name of their religion. Should teach truth. Teach goodness. First and foremost. All else is irrelevant without the first things as a foundation.

  129. Josef Sefton
    Posted September 24, 2015 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Are you, searcher for truth, singing with a loud voice, “Worthy is the lamb who was slain to receive power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and praise?”

    Do you find worth in the good Shepherd? Are you prepared to wholeheartedly folliw Him?

    Do you esteem everything Christ Jesus spoke and taught and did as honourable? Are you commited to praise Him, even when storms assail your soul?

    Do you agree that He is a glorious Teacher, High Priest, righteous King, Saviour and Lord? Do you rejoice when you think about the Son of David? Do you love Him?

    What is your attitude to the most beautiful person who ever lived on earth? Is your deepest desire to daily learn more about Him, so that you can better understand and honour Him?

    Revelation 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

  130. MichaelFree
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Josef,

    You might want to change your last paragraph. The whole thing is Jesus worship and then the last paragraph is talking about the anti-Christ. It’s weird, just like Christianity.

    Your Jesus worship wouldn’t be so bad and hypocritical if it wasn’t so murderous and torturous just under the surface. You see, Jesus was a victim, he was murdered and tortured. Murdering and torturing my non-Christian and homosexual neighbors is what your God plans to do to them. What is wrong with your God that your God would murder and torture peaceful people? There is murder and torture and injustice in the Christian book of life. The Christian Christ brings death and suffering.

  131. Jesus is risen
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    Michael, I am not changing a single word that I wrote! Michael, don’t overlook the fact that the Son of Man was always motivated by love! He is love! What is stopping you from acknowledging this?
    Michael, if you want to understand life, you need to desire wholeheartedly to come to God’s Beloved Son.

  132. MichaelFree
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    I was trying to help you out Josef. You write a comment praising Jesus, who is supposedly a good person, and then it’s last paragraph is about an evil “beast” that supposedly people are going to praise. It’s not logical and it’s confusing. I didn’t want you or someone who reads your comment confusing Jesus with the “beast”.

    Take care.

  133. MichaelFree
    Posted September 25, 2015 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Josef,

    Your comment says:

    “Revelation 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

    Your whole comment is praising Jesus and then this last sentence is referring to a “him”. A casual reader may assume that you are saying “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Jesus)”, when the “him” in that verse is referring to the “beast” of revelations who is an evil being. You see why much of Christianity is unhealthy? It’s quite a mind game that your religion plays on otherwise decent people. Christianity is a conquerors religion and not a religion of the peacemaker.

  134. Jesus is risen
    Posted September 26, 2015 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Michael, unsaved people have the opportunity to study the Bible to learn from the Teacher of teachers!
    Will you take that opportunity, Michael?
    Michael, why do you write that a sinless person is supposedly good?
    Can’t you see that you yourself lack understanding?
    Michael, stop overestimating yourself! How can you help me out when your understanding about the Bible
    is in many cases the opposite of what it should be?
    Michael, if you start praising verses from the Bible consistently then you will “help” me out!

  135. Josef Sefton
    Posted September 27, 2015 at 4:00 am | Permalink

    He that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
    See Hebrews 11:6

    In order to diligently seek God you should diligently study the Bible!

  136. Josef Sefton
    Posted September 27, 2015 at 4:34 am | Permalink
  137. Jane
    Posted September 28, 2015 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Thank you for some very fascinating reading, both in your blog articles and your replies.
    You may have debunked your beliefs, but it is not possible to debunk God. It is like an ant saying that the elephant does not exist.

  138. Posted September 28, 2015 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for some very fascinating reading, both in your blog articles and your replies. You may have debunked your beliefs, but it is not possible to debunk God. It is like an ant saying that the elephant does not exist.

    I have no idea how you could possibly believe the words you wrote. If I said an elephant does not exist you could immediately prove me wrong by presenting an elephant. You can’t do anything like that with whichever god it is you think is real. You can’t do it with Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Jesus, the Mormon God from the planet Kolob, or any other god humans have invented.

  139. Jesus is risen
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 1:09 am | Permalink

  140. Jesus is risen
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 1:25 am | Permalink
  141. Jesus is risen
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Richard, God’s love can be experienced! You have chosen not to persevere in hungering and thirsting to trust and obey Him. You used to write very powerfully, but something happened in your life and your desire to explore for truth came to an abrupt end.
    Richard, you need to rediscover the words of Christ. Will you stop nodding your head every time you read the words of atheists? Do you really think their words offer man hope?

  142. MichaelFree
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    These are pertinent questions in this conversation:

    What do you think about the theorized overpopulation of the Earth? Do you think that forced depopulation is acceptable? Do you think that “global warming” deniers should be imprisoned?

  143. Svpia-Bpvmt777
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Jesus is risen Posted,

    “Richard, [God’s love can be experienced!]…Richard, [you need to rediscover the words of Christ]…”

    My Comments: Those two somewhat cultic-like statements or mantras,- the mechanical-nature and psychology of trance,- would seem to work regardless whether the content-loop is related to “Allah, Buddha, Christ, Jesus, Zoroaster, Banna skins, Lord Xenu, or the Earth Spirit.”

    Or “God ad Daddy loves me”…”without God, there is no meaning in life, no love or morality, no purpose,” and their variations may be a spiritual-trance generating loop for many people.

    Falsely and ignorantly associating a specific statement with an intense spiritual-feeling and supernatural-like force simpy ignores how all trance really works!

    The typical bible thumpers and their widely accepted bible screecher-preachers have huge gaping holes in their neo -cortexes, where most people have at least a modicum of some critical facilities. But they appear to be sheep incapable of having a decent original thought, who recite back and blindly defend the “received wisdom” from their predecessors, and when they do write something new it is nonsensical “spiritual” bumpf aimed and soothing the semi-literate bottom feeders who consider wordy imcomprehensible prose to be a sign of great learning and probity.

    With their apocalypto endtime rapture bingo driven fear sustained foo-fardle preachings are running a huge three card monte/confidence scam on a scale that even BT Barnum could not have imagined! A very poisonous and irrational propaganda, disguised as “fact”and “revelation” from these snake oil salesmen.

    The writings of every major christian writer from Chrysostom to Luther and Calvin (Dumb and Dumber!) are filled with exhortations to hate and murder any one who does not accept their teachings and submit to their teachings.

  144. MichaelFree
    Posted September 29, 2015 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    This is all nonsense. Some schmuck named Baphomet thinks he’s cute (you think I want to sit here and have my name associated with yours, you clown) and then some schmuck named Josef bows to a murderous torturer, that Dick McGough used to also bow to, even though he condemned his own father. Learned a lot though, about just how screwed religious people really are, but I haven’t changed, not one bit, for I always knew your divisive and hateful religions were bullshit.

    Take care.

    Please delete all my comments.

  145. Posted September 29, 2015 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    These are pertinent questions in this conversation:

    What do you think about the theorized overpopulation of the Earth? Do you think that forced depopulation is acceptable? Do you think that “global warming” deniers should be imprisoned?

    Hey there Michael,

    I don’t understand why you think those questions are pertinent to this conversation. But I’ll answer anyway.

    I think we humans are greatly overpopulating the the earth. It is likely that nature will depopulate us by “force” if we don’t choose to manage our own population better. It is strange that you call it “theorized overpopulation” since it seems like an obvious fact to me. We are driving many other species to extinction by our foolish behavior.

    If by “forced depopulation” you mean outright murder of innocent people, then no, I don’t think that is acceptable. I am confident there are better ways we can manage the planet without violating such basic human rights. For example, we could start by ending war, reigning in the super rich, and using the money to manage the planet with intelligence.

    And no, I do not think that “global warming deniers” should be imprisoned for merely stating their opinion, but it would probably be a good idea to imprison people who knowingly deceive people about matters that cause harm and death to others. This is a well established limit to free speech. E.g. People are not innocent if they falsely shout “fire” in a crowded theater. Likewise, it seems reasonable they should not be free to cause the death of thousands of children by knowingly spreading demonstrably false lies about vaccines, the danger of smoking, global warming, or whatever.

    Richard

  146. Posted September 29, 2015 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    This is all nonsense. Some schmuck named Baphomet thinks he’s cute (you think I want to sit here and have my name associated with yours, you clown) and then some schmuck named Josef bows to a murderous torturer, that Dick McGough used to also bow to, even though he condemned his own father. Learned a lot though, about just how screwed religious people really are, but I haven’t changed, not one bit, for I always knew your divisive and hateful religions were bullshit.

    Hey there Michael,

    I’m sincerely confused. I don’t know what you got upset about. Care to share?

    Richard

  147. Maxwell's Ghost
    Posted September 30, 2015 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    “And no, I do not think that “global warming deniers” should be imprisoned for merely stating their opinion, but it would probably be a good idea to imprison people who knowingly deceive people about matters that cause harm and death to others. This is a well established limit to free speech. E.g. People are not innocent if they falsely shout “fire” in a crowded theater. Likewise, it seems reasonable they should not be free to cause the death of thousands of children by knowingly spreading demonstrably false lies about vaccines, the danger of smoking, global warming, or whatever.”

    Oh, how awfully generous of you. And how completely wrong. Educate yourself, you total fool, about the global warming scam. Start with Climate Audit, where you will find real science, not your screeching half-baked fanboi reverse engineered personal pyscho nonsense.

    There is no global warming. 19 years now and counting. You who lecture others on getting their intellectual shit together need to take some time out to bring yourself up to speed.

  148. Maxwell's Ghost
    Posted September 30, 2015 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Oh dear MichaelFree had a sad. The one post wonder who spawned a thousand kindergarten level theology posts all identical: “my daddy is burning in hell said the preacher man”. Damn straight. Delete his posts indeed. Would that he had never started. Oh wait, here he comes back for the next thousand….

  149. Maxwell's Ghost
    Posted September 30, 2015 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Yes, the global warming blindspot perfectly illustrates your entire problem, namely, the fact that you have simply replaced faith in Christ with faith in science. Now, anything with a label “science”, you automatically defend to the death exactly like some rabid crazed fundamentalist. The problem is that the so called “climate science” is no such thing. It is not science. It is a travesty of science. It breaks all the rules of good science, which you would know if you actually spent any time reading properly the dissenting views. Steve McIntyre is the place to start. Climate Audit. http://climateaudit.org/ There you will find out what you don’t know today: that climate science is a grotesque parody of how science ought to be conducted. Upside down proxies, lack of proper data archiving, over-reliance on flawed models, extremely dubious statistical methodologies: the list of fundamental problems is immense. “Why should I share my data with you when all you are going to do is try to find problems with it”. Says it all. One day, people will look back on this whole episode as one of the most shameful examples of groupthink gone mad since phlogiston. But you know none of this. All you know is that it is ‘science’, and you believe in “science”, therefore you think you support the global warming theories. Blind faith, that is all it is, though you don’t want to prosecute, as if that makes you somehow reasonable in all this. The very fact that Shukla and his cronies are calling for the RICO act to be invoked on climate change sceptics ought to be sufficient of a warning bell, on its own, to tell you that this is no longer science, but shrill advocacy. Now, get up to speed with the topic and learn that Shukla is now in all kinds of deep shit over this, because turns out he has been milking the trough for all it is worth. Indeed the disgraceful IGES letter has even been taken down now that he has realized the internet exists and his dirty laundry is out for all the world to inspect. Folks are going down. So. Educate yourself. Drop your blind faith in science, and actually adopt a scientific attitude, and you will see that the entire global warming scare is one giant piece of crappy thinking. “Science” is just another human endeavour: it’s flawed and subject to all the same kinds of errors that humans bring to the table in any area. This elevation of science and even rationality to some special place of higher truth is the Titanic of our times.

  150. Posted September 30, 2015 at 6:27 am | Permalink
    “And no, I do not think that “global warming deniers” should be imprisoned for merely stating their opinion, but it would probably be a good idea to imprison people who knowingly deceive people about matters that cause harm and death to others. This is a well established limit to free speech. E.g. People are not innocent if they falsely shout “fire” in a crowded theater. Likewise, it seems reasonable they should not be free to cause the death of thousands of children by knowingly spreading demonstrably false lies about vaccines, the danger of smoking, global warming, or whatever.”

    Oh, how awfully generous of you. And how completely wrong. Educate yourself, you total fool, about the global warming scam. Start with Climate Audit, where you will find real science, not your screeching half-baked fanboi reverse engineered personal pyscho nonsense.

    There is no global warming. 19 years now and counting. You who lecture others on getting their intellectual shit together need to take some time out to bring yourself up to speed.

    My “screeching half-baked fanboi reverse engineered personal pyscho nonsense”? I have no idea what you think you are babbling about. I made no argument concerning the evidence for or against global warming. My comment was focused entirely on the question of what should be done if people knowingly lie about things that present a danger to others. If global warming were a grand hoax as you assert, then it would be a crime to knowingly spread that lie, so the truth of my statement stands no matter what your position on that topic.

    As for “educating myself” – I have been reading both sides of the argument for many years. I am a regular reader of wattsupwiththat, climateaudit, realclimate, etc., etc., etc. Your exhortation that I “educate myself” is as arrogant as it is ignorant. You know nothing of me. I have not presented an argument for or against global warming. I didn’t even bring up the topic. I spoke only of the moral question related to lying.

    If you would like to comment on what I actually wrote, please do so.

  151. Posted September 30, 2015 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Yes, the global warming blindspot perfectly illustrates your entire problem, namely, the fact that you have simply replaced faith in Christ with faith in science. Now, anything with a label “science”, you automatically defend to the death exactly like some rabid crazed fundamentalist.

    Your words are entirely false and unjustified. They are truly absurd. I have no “blindspot” concerning global warming. You and I have not even discussed it! You have no concept of what I believe or why. Yet you freely spew your psycho ravings? What is wrong with you? Your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance.

    Your assertion assertion that I “replaced faith in Christ with faith in science” is equally absurd and unjustified. It is absurd because I have never put “faith” in science in the way I put faith in Christ. I was simultaneously a Christian and a scientist. If anything, you have it backwards. Science is based on evidence and so was my faith in Christ. I thought I had evidence it was true. But after much study and reflection I realized I had deluded myself (as explained in my article Debunking Myself: What A Long Strange Trip It’s Been). When I quit Christianity, the only thing that changed was that I realized my faith in Christ was misplaced and unjustified. My opinion of science had nothing to do with that, and it did not change before, during, or after I was a Christian. I never felt any conflict between my understanding of science and Christ. Again, your words are mindless, ignorant, arrogant, bullshit.

    Likewise, your assertion that I automatically defend “anything with a label science” is ridiculous. I have explicitly stated that the Big Bang might not be true. I have said only that it is the best fit to the data that I have seen. I have explicitly stated that science is in its infancy. You reveal the perversity of your corrupt mind when you spew such lies about me. From a Biblical point of view, you are a son of the devil destined for the Lake of Fire. Lucky for you the Bible is full of shit, eh? LOL

  152. Josef Sefton
    Posted September 30, 2015 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    The Bible is totally trustworthy. The Creator Himself teaches
    that it is given by inspiration!

  153. Posted September 30, 2015 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    The Bible is totally trustworthy. The Creator Himself teaches
    that it is given by inspiration!

    Why should anyone believe that? Can you give any justification for your claim, or is your believe totally blind like that of Mormons and Muslims? Is there any difference between your blind robotic religious belief and theirs? I’ve been asking you this question for over a year and you have never come close to giving a rational answer.

  154. Posted September 30, 2015 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh dear MichaelFree had a sad. The one post wonder who spawned a thousand kindergarten level theology posts all identical: “my daddy is burning in hell said the preacher man”. Damn straight.

    Oh my. So you actually believe in a demon-gawd that created the infinite evil of eternal torment in hell? Your gawd is infinitely more evil than Hitler in the most literal sense possible. Hitler could only torment his victims for a brief time before death set them free. Your demon-gawd delights forever to inflict infinite evil upon his helpless creatures. That exposes the true nature of your religion.

  155. Josef Sefton
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 3:19 am | Permalink
  156. MichaelFree
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    I’m sorry for what I said about you in regard to your father. It was mean-spirited, inappropriate, and none of my business. I’m also sorry for calling you a dick.

    And I have been saying the same thing over and over for a long time, in different ways, trying to shine some light on the transgressions (moral abominations) that many people wrongly call holy, hoping to change some hearts, and I’ve learned it’s rather futile when it comes to people’s religious beliefs.

    I appreciate what you said about the “global warming” debate. Global warming is for many people a religion, and a murderous one, just like many other religions, as many of its proponents propose insane numbers for the human carrying-capacity of the planet. It’s insane because there is only one way to reach their targets: murder and/or forced sterilization/abortions, all of which are evil and unacceptable. The existence of global warming is debatable whereas the existence of pollution is not debatable. Pollution kills people and destroys the Earth, this is a fact, and anyone who says differently, or who values money and profits over the health of people and the Earth, should be called out with facts, not debates, as debates are many times designed to get people arguing and taking differing sides, so that nothing gets done.

    Take care.

    Michael

  157. Josef Sefton
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 3:30 am | Permalink

    Richard claims to be asking, but instead of asking he is scoffing at God’s name!
    Richard, if you desire to “ask” you must willingly go on that journey.
    I can’t do it for you!

    You must want to hallow God’s name. He will not draw you to Himself if you truly believe you are more moral than He is, for such thinking doesn’t please Him!

  158. Posted October 1, 2015 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry for what I said about you in regard to your father. It was mean-spirited, inappropriate, and none of my business. I’m also sorry for calling you a dick.

    And I have been saying the same thing over and over for a long time, in different ways, trying to shine some light on the transgressions (moral abominations) that many people wrongly call holy, hoping to change some hearts, and I’ve learned it’s rather futile when it comes to people’s religious beliefs.

    Hey Michael,

    I appreciate your apology, but I didn’t really take offense because I didn’t understand why you would be upset with me. It just seemed like confusion. I understand how frustrating it can be to keep repeating the same thing to no end, but that wasn’t happening between you and me so I didn’t know why you would be upset with me. But not worries. I have a pretty thick skin after all these years of internet “discussions.”

  159. Maxwell's Ghost
    Posted October 3, 2015 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Likewise, it seems reasonable they should not be free to cause the death of thousands of children by knowingly spreading demonstrably false lies about vaccines, the danger of smoking, global warming, or whatever.”

    Who are these people you refer to? The ones “demonstrably spreading false lies about global warming”?

    You must think they exist, otherwise you wouldn’t bother calling for legal sanctions against them.

    If you think they exist, they you must believe that “global warming” is real.

    So it seems to me you have declared which side of that debate you are on. If I have this wrong, please clarify, and don’t hold back on the personal insults, I find them hilarious and delightful.

  160. Josef Sefton
    Posted October 3, 2015 at 8:06 am | Permalink
  161. Josef Sefton
    Posted October 3, 2015 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Are you desirous to honour the Friend of friends?
    Explorers for truth, righteous Jesus is man’s true refuge! Desire in your heart to honour Him! Desire to trust and obey Him, for the good Shepherd is love! Praise the faithful witness. Praise the Prince of purity and peace! Welcome Him to teach you, for He is the truth!

  162. Josef Sefton
    Posted October 4, 2015 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
  163. MichaelFree
    Posted October 5, 2015 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Good doesn’t torture.

  164. Mark
    Posted October 7, 2015 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    So when the Day of the LORD comes (as we see the day approaching) and all are forced to worship the beast and to have his mark upon their right hand or their forehead or be killed…then what?

    The LORD said that if you shall seek to save your life that you shall lose it, and that if you lose your life for Him and the gospel that you shall save it.. He meant it.

    It will be difficult to swallow that one when it comes to pass, and all the scoffing is over.. and when men are hiding themselves in the rocks and wishing that they would fall on them, rather than deal with wrath of the Lamb at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    So sad..

    IMO the number one issue with most people is that they can’t fathom that there is massive deception all around them and that Satan is the god of this present evil world.. If men would simply operate under that premise, then perhaps they would be more willing to put on the full armour of God in order to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil..

    I know, I know.. Satan is just a fairy tale character and you shall not surely die..

  165. Mark
    Posted October 7, 2015 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    This is imo a very good example of what it means to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.. because when that happens, men become delusional to the extent that they themselves become the judge of what is actually good and evil.

    AND, inevitably, they end up saying that God is evil and that they are good..

    I often struggled with Hell and why the GOOD LORD would have much to say about it. I struggled with the same things mentioned in this article..

    Hell is not for the average Joe, it’s for the devil and his angels.. and perhaps for those who willingly bow down to Satan and worship him.. although I shall judge nothing before its time, that’s the LORD’s work when He comes in His glory to destroy the man of sin who is the beast, and his false prophet.

    Daniel speaks of the fourth beast being iron mixed with clay.. and that they shall mingle with the seed of men.. it’s happening right now.. they’re modifying anything and everything genetically and soon it may be difficult to even recognize God’s creatures.. trans-humanism is the new age direction that the god of this world is moving toward.. and the god of this world shall stop at nothing in his vain effort to destroy man who is made in the likeness of his Creator.

    The revelation of Jesus Christ speaks of those NOT written in the book of life from the foundation of the world… Could this be why? Because they’re not not even human but rather genetically modified beings from who knows where? I don’t know, but one thing is certain.. that day is approaching, and the revelation shows us the Day of the LORD is perfectly clear terms..

    Satan cast down to the earth and ruling over it for forty two months.. literally hell on earth.

    IMO if men can’t see this coming, then the god of this world has them exactly where he wants.. deceived. It only gets worse from there.. because once the love of the truth is rejected completely, then even God Himself shall send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie.

    Stop eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and trust in the LORD with every fiber of your being…

  166. Mark
    Posted October 7, 2015 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus,

    As much as I have enjoyed the BibleWheel, there’s a much deeper and more profitable form of studying the holy scriptures.. and that is to study them Thematically.

    The stories themselves telling the story..

    Perhaps one of the most obvious is Abraham taking his only begotten son Isaac to the mountain to worship, where he was to offer him there as a sacrifice… surely this is not only about Abraham’s only begotten son, but more importantly, God’s only begotten and beloved Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    God DID provide Himself a Lamb.. His only begotten Son.

    In the volume of the book it is written of Him..

    Then what happens.. they come down from the mountain and we read of Sarah’s death (Israel blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in), and Abraham sends his servant to find a bride for his only begotten son…

    Now what’s that make you think of?

  167. Posted October 8, 2015 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    So when the Day of the LORD comes (as we see the day approaching) and all are forced to worship the beast and to have his mark upon their right hand or their forehead or be killed…then what?

    Your eschatology is entirely contrary to the plain teaching of the Bible which says the “last days” happened in the first century. It has Christ himself saying that his “coming” would happen during the generation living at that time. Paul clearly believed he would be alive to see it, and John said that it already was the “last hour” in the first century. Christianity began as a failed apocalyptic cult, and has continued as such for 2000 years. It seems utterly delusional to claim to believe the Bible while denying what it so plainly states.

    The LORD said that if you shall seek to save your life that you shall lose it, and that if you lose your life for Him and the gospel that you shall save it.. He meant it.

    Why do you think he “meant” that while he didn’t “mean” all those other things he said about coming “quickly” because the time was “at hand” (Revelation 1:3)? The only way anyone could “believe” the Bible is to cherry pick which parts to believe and which parts to reject (via reinterpretation that forces them to fit the desired teaching).

    It will be difficult to swallow that one when it comes to pass, and all the scoffing is over.. and when men are hiding themselves in the rocks and wishing that they would fall on them, rather than deal with wrath of the Lamb at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    Christianity has a perfect unbroken record of 2000 years of total error relating to the “end times.” I don’t think any rational person should start worrying about it now.

    IMO the number one issue with most people is that they can’t fathom that there is massive deception all around them and that Satan is the god of this present evil world.. If men would simply operate under that premise, then perhaps they would be more willing to put on the full armour of God in order to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil..

    Funny you should mention “delusion” given that your end-times dispensational eschatology is one of the greatest delusions I have ever seen.

    I know, I know.. Satan is just a fairy tale character and you shall not surely die..

    I agree, of course, that Satan is a fairy tale, but I can assure you that every person living will surely die. You are the one preaching the fairy tale that no one really dies because everyone will live forever (whether in heaven or hell).

    Thanks for your comments.

  168. Posted October 8, 2015 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    This is imo a very good example of what it means to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.. because when that happens, men become delusional to the extent that they themselves become the judge of what is actually good and evil.

    Say what? Are you telling me that you are unable to judge that genocide, rape, and murder are evil? Why would you say that? Any human with a heart can see those things are evil. And that’s the problem with Yahweh. The Bible attributes many moral abominations to him. It presents him as irrational, cruel, and sadistic. He looks like a projection of many of the worst moral qualities of primitive men.

    You really need to rethink your position. The morality of God in the Bible is so abysmal that apologists have taken to writing books asking “Is God a Moral Monster?”. Such books would be impossible if God were anything like the epitome of moral perfection.

    AND, inevitably, they end up saying that God is evil and that they are good..

    Well, I’ve never ordered the slaughter of little babies.

    I often struggled with Hell and why the GOOD LORD would have much to say about it. I struggled with the same things mentioned in this article..

    Hell is not for the average Joe, it’s for the devil and his angels.. and perhaps for those who willingly bow down to Satan and worship him.. although I shall judge nothing before its time, that’s the LORD’s work when He comes in His glory to destroy the man of sin who is the beast, and his false prophet.

    Your position doesn’t make sense to me. Are you saying that all the unbelievers who never heard of Christ or the Devil are going to heaven? On what basis?

    Daniel speaks of the fourth beast being iron mixed with clay.. and that they shall mingle with the seed of men.. it’s happening right now.. they’re modifying anything and everything genetically and soon it may be difficult to even recognize God’s creatures.. trans-humanism is the new age direction that the god of this world is moving toward.. and the god of this world shall stop at nothing in his vain effort to destroy man who is made in the likeness of his Creator.

    That’s “newspaper exegesis.” There is absolutely nothing in the Bible about genetic modification. This is the primary error of all the pop “end times” false prophets like Hal Lindsey, John Hagee (and his blood moons), etc., etc., etc.

    The revelation of Jesus Christ speaks of those NOT written in the book of life from the foundation of the world… Could this be why? Because they’re not not even human but rather genetically modified beings from who knows where? I don’t know, but one thing is certain.. that day is approaching, and the revelation shows us the Day of the LORD is perfectly clear terms..

    Perfectly clear terms? Are you joking? The predictions in Revelation were about “things which must shortly come to pass …for the time is at hand” written two thousand years ago! And you think now they are finally “approaching”? LOL

    Do you believe we are “really” in the end times now? If you think the end is “soon” does that mean you expect it sometime in the next two thousand years? LOL

    Satan cast down to the earth and ruling over it for forty two months.. literally hell on earth.

    IMO if men can’t see this coming, then the god of this world has them exactly where he wants.. deceived. It only gets worse from there.. because once the love of the truth is rejected completely, then even God Himself shall send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie.

    Ha! An what about all the Christians who falsely “saw it coming” in their own generation over the last two thousand years. If anyone has been proven delusional, it is the doomsday Christians who have been consistently wrong for two thousand years now, and yet continue making the same ludicrous predictions. It’s so common that one group of diehard followers of failed prognosticator Harold Camping predicted the world would end yesterday, October 7! The delusion runs deep in Christianity.

    Stop eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and trust in the LORD with every fiber of your being…

    There is no greater delusion that to say that “God is trustworthy.” If God were as trustworthy as the average garbage man there would be no debate about his existence. I explain more in my article Is God Trustworthy? The Root of Religious Delusion

    Great chatting,

    Richard

  169. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    [quote]Your eschatology is entirely contrary to the plain teaching of the Bible which says the “last days” happened in the first century. It has Christ himself saying that his “coming” would happen during the generation living at that time. Paul clearly believed he would be alive to see it, and John said that it already was the “last hour” in the first century. Christianity began as a failed apocalyptic cult, and has continued as such for 2000 years. It seems utterly delusional to claim to believe the Bible while denying what it so plainly states.[quote]

    You’re suggesting that the plain teaching of the bible is that the Lord Jesus Christ has already come again in accordance with what it says about the Day of the LORD?

    Sheer nonsense and exactly what the rulers of this dark world would have all men believe, that it’s all in the past.

    The biblical teaching of the Day of the LORD is clearly future, even a passive reading of the scriptures reveals this and of course the revelation foretells it all.. John DID foresee His coming kingdom before his death.. that’s why we have the revelation (or unveiling) of Jesus Christ written by that Apostle.

    But if you’d like to believe it’s all in the past, then that’s your choice.

  170. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Sorry Richard, I don’t post much and I’m not sure how to use the tags below, I’ll figure it out :-)

  171. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    I was thinking about your work with the Bible Wheel and the fact that you no longer believe it to be trustworthy now etc.. and how to me that sort of relates to Israel being entrusted with the very oracles of God, while over time becoming completely corrupt and even missing their own Messiah who personified the very oracles they so carefully kept.

    And the LORD isn’t finished with Israel.. they’re going to be restored in that coming Day which we should all see approaching.. the Day of the LORD, the Day of Jesus Christ.

    If you don’t mind me saying, I also believe that the LORD may not be finished with you, and that even this time in your life can be for much greater things to come. To me it’s amazing how far we can see one get away from the LORD in the scriptures, and I’ve experienced it in my own life as well.. but I think in the end you’re going to see how good that He is and perfectly trustworthy He is, and has always been.

  172. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    “Christianity has a perfect unbroken record of 2000 years of total error relating to the “end times.” I don’t think any rational person should start worrying about it now.”

    I see the wheat and the tares growing up together exactly as the LORD said that they are.. as this pertains to the things which are..

    He has also told us plainly what is going to happen in accordance with the things which shall be hereafter.. specifically that coming Day…

    And every rational person should be able to see that Day approaching.. the scriptures speak of men’s hearts failing them in that coming Day.. for all that is coming on the world..

    Because it’s going to be hell on earth in that coming Day.. Satan cast down and manifested through the power of the beast and his false prophet… having dominion over all the earth.. all buying and selling through them.. ‘ And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    That’s all in accordance with what is coming.. in that Day… even the OT prophets speak about it in great detail.

    The very first prophecy in the bible hasn’t been completely fulfilled yet.. ‘And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.’

    That shall be fulfilled when the LORD shall destroy the man of sin by the brightness of His coming.. in that Day, the Day of the LORD, the Day of Jesus Christ.. at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

  173. Posted October 8, 2015 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Sorry Richard, I don’t post much and I’m not sure how to use the tags below, I’ll figure it out

    No problem Mark. I can figure out what you meant. But if you are interested, you can quote by using the blockquote tag between angle brackets.

  174. Posted October 8, 2015 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    You’re suggesting that the plain teaching of the bible is that the Lord Jesus Christ has already come again in accordance with what it says about the Day of the LORD?

    Sheer nonsense and exactly what the rulers of this dark world would have all men believe, that it’s all in the past.

    I agree it is “sheer nonsense” in the sense that it obviously didn’t happen. But it would be a thousand times more nonsensical to deny that that is exactly what the Bible plainly teaches. Nothing could be more plain or obvious. Revelation begins by saying the the events described in its pages would happen “quickly” for the time was “at hand” two thousand years ago. There is nothing more delusional (or ironic) than the fact that “Bible believers” deny what the Bible plainly teaches on a hundred points.

  175. Posted October 8, 2015 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    If you don’t mind me saying, I also believe that the LORD may not be finished with you, and that even this time in your life can be for much greater things to come. To me it’s amazing how far we can see one get away from the LORD in the scriptures, and I’ve experienced it in my own life as well.. but I think in the end you’re going to see how good that He is and perfectly trustworthy He is, and has always been.

    Why would you think that? I am totally open to any evidence that I have erred in my judgment. If you think I am wrong, then you should be able to explain why. If you can’t do that, why would you think you are right? I believe a close analysis of your faith would reveal it to be as delusional as was mine. You cherry pick things that confirm what you want to believe and ignore the rest. You flat out deny the plain teaching of scripture on a hundred points when it contradicts what you want to believe. E.g. – your dispensational eschatology is entirely contrary to the Bible. I think it would be fascinating to discuss it if you are interested. If you have truth on your side it should be a piece of cake to expose my error.

    Great chatting.

    Richard

  176. Posted October 8, 2015 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    “Christianity has a perfect unbroken record of 2000 years of total error relating to the “end times.” I don’t think any rational person should start worrying about it now.”

    I see the wheat and the tares growing up together exactly as the LORD said that they are.. as this pertains to the things which are.

    Your answer makes no sense. You are currently making exactly the same kind of claims that all the “tares” have been making for the last two thousand years. You believe you are living in the “end times” and that it’s all going to happen “soon” for the “time is at hand.” That’s exactly what Jesus, Paul, John, and Peter taught in the Bible two thousand years ago. And that is the error I was talking about when I spoke of the “perfect unbroken record of 2000 years of total error relating to the end times.”

    How are your predictions any different than those made by the “tares” throughout the history of Christianity?

  177. Posted October 8, 2015 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    The very first prophecy in the bible hasn’t been completely fulfilled yet..

    Ha! That’s hilarious. No prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled. That’s one of the reasons the Bible cannot be trusted. If you read and believe what it says, you will be deceived. That’s why Christians can’t agree about anything and that’s why history is littered with ten thousand false predictions about the “end times.”

  178. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Not when one of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb tells us not to be ignorant of this one thing, that a Day with the Lord is as a thousand years.

    The LORD inhabits eternity, a day to Him is as a thousand years.

    Genesis also provides us with a precedent of a thousand years being as a day, for Adam was told that he would die in the day that he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and yet lived to be over nine hundred years old.

    He did die in that day according to the one thing that Peter does not wish men to be ignorant of.. that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years.

    The church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.. if Peter tells us that a Day is as a thousand years then it is.. simple as that.

    This isn’t complicated imo.. and imo men will deny the simple truth to no end to deny that THAT Day is coming.

    Now who wants men to believe that the day of the LORD is all in the past?

    Any wild guesses?

    Thanks to you as well for chatting.

  179. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Sorry again, messed that up :-) Looks like I somehow quoted my comments without including yours.

    Last post was in response to your comments here:

    I agree it is “sheer nonsense” in the sense that it obviously didn’t happen. But it would be a thousand times more nonsensical to deny that that is exactly what the Bible plainly teaches. Nothing could be more plain or obvious. Revelation begins by saying the the events described in its pages would happen “quickly” for the time was “at hand” two thousand years ago. There is nothing more delusional (or ironic) than the fact that “Bible believers” deny what the Bible plainly teaches on a hundred points.

  180. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    “Why would you think that?”

    For the simple reasons stated, Israel was entrusted with the oracles of God and yet crucified their Messiah who was the Word made flesh. AND I have seen this in my own life as well.

    “You cherry pick things that confirm what you want to believe and ignore the rest. You flat out deny the plain teaching of scripture on a hundred points when it contradicts what you want to believe. E.g. – your dispensational eschatology is entirely contrary to the Bible.”

    I don’t understand what prompted this comment of yours? Where have I cherry picked anything or where have I denied the plain teaching of scripture?

    If you like to think that the clear teaching of scripture is that the Day of the LORD is in the past and that Christ has already come, that the resurrection of the dead has taken place, and that the millennial kingdom of Christ has already come… then you’re welcome to that..

    Show us all in scripture the CLEAR TEACHING that Christ has come and the resurrection is past.. all that good stuff.

  181. Posted October 8, 2015 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Show us all in scripture the CLEAR TEACHING that Christ has come and the resurrection is past.. all that good stuff.

    The disciples asked “when” and Jesus said during the lifetime of the generation that he was talking to. Matthew 24. Here is a link to my explanation that I wrote when I was a Christian.

    http://www.biblewheel.com/Theology/Olivet_Discourse.php

  182. mark
    Posted October 8, 2015 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who says that the Day of the LORD has come is in direct contradiction to the plain teaching of scripture.. for example..

    Peter says it like this..

    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Seeing then that all these things shall dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

  183. Posted October 8, 2015 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who says that the Day of the LORD has come is in direct contradiction to the plain teaching of scripture.. for example..

    Peter says it like this..

    Then Peter contradicts Christ who said that “this generation” (referring to the generation to whom he was speaking) would not pass before all things were fulfilled.

    After much study and effort to harmonize all the verses (when I was a believing Christian) my honesty and intellectual integrity forced me to conclude that the various teachings in the Bible are simply incoherent.

  184. Posted October 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Not when one of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb tells us not to be ignorant of this one thing, that a Day with the Lord is as a thousand years.

    You are misinterpreting that verse. It is not a formula telling you to calculate the end times by taking the six days of creation followed by the sabbath as six thousand years before the millennium (or whatever it is that you are doing). The text also says that a single day (24 hours) is “like a thousand years” to the Lord. That means that God sees so much happen in one day that it would be like what mere mortals would see in a thousand years. It has nothing to do with any date setting.

    The church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.. if Peter tells us that a Day is as a thousand years then it is.. simple as that.

    And by that logic, if Jesus said all things would be fulfilled during the first century generation, then that’s what happened. Simple as that.

    This isn’t complicated imo.. and imo men will deny the simple truth to no end to deny that THAT Day is coming.

    Christians have been predicting the end was coming “soon” for nearly two thousand years now. They’ve always been wrong. Why should anyone think that you suddenly got it right? How are your predictions any different than all those that have failed?

    Now who wants men to believe that the day of the LORD is all in the past?

    Any wild guesses?

    Why would it matter? Suppose you are correct, and the end really is going to happen “soon.” What difference does that make? No one could do anything about it.

    Thanks to you as well for chatting.

    I’m glad you are taking time to discuss this.

    All the best.

  185. mark
    Posted October 9, 2015 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    “The disciples asked “when” and Jesus said during the lifetime of the generation that he was talking to. Matthew 24. Here is a link to my explanation that I wrote when I was a Christian.”

    Here’s the context of Matthew 24;

    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    Let’s look at one of the first mentions of the word generation in Matthew 1..

    The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    Here we see the word generation used in the LORD’s lineage.. and not only that, but Matthew’s gospel speaks of the regeneration as well in chapter 19 within the context of the LORD’s coming and then sitting upont he throne of His glory along with the twelve apostles also sitting upon thrones and judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Your article bought into the lie of preterism which once again is exactly what the rulers of the world would have all men believe, that it’s all in the past.

    OT prophecy centers upon Israel being delivered, not destroyed.. and once again, we know who it is that wants men to believe the exact opposite of what the scriptures declare… and we are seeing Israel being threatened with complete annihilation by those who are under the sway of the wicked one.. which is the whole world.. and it’s getting progressively worse..

    All the denial in the world isn’t going to change the matter of God’s prophetic word concerning Israel being delivered int he time of the end.

    Thematically we see this in the story of Joseph.. loved by his father and hated by his own brethren.. sold to the Gentiles for 20 pieces of silver.. goes from the pit to the prison to the throne which exemplifies Christ’s death and resurrection.. is given a Gentile bride while hidden from his own brethren.. and ultimately when the revealed famine comes.. who comes looking for sustenance?

    That’s right, the very brethren which threw him into the pit and left him for dead, and who deceived Jacob into believing that he was dead by his outer coat dipped in blood..

    The LORD has told us the story already.. in countless living and powerful ways.. for any with ears to hear.

    And without the full armour of God, you’re absolutely defenseless against the spiritual wickedness which rules this dark world. I’m sure that they’re delighted to see men put the coming kingdom of God in the past.. it’s right where they want the masses to be.

    Deceived..

    Then there’s also plain disobedience for many who are without excuse.. and who blatantly and intentionally pervert the simple truth of God’s testimony concerning His Son.

  186. mark
    Posted October 9, 2015 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    I read it exactly as it is written, that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years.. and once again I’ll add the emphasis that this is one thing that the Apostle to the circumcision would have men not be ignorant of.

    And once again I’ll add the precedent in Genesis concerning Adam dying in the DAY that he did eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

  187. mark
    Posted October 9, 2015 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Guess who wants all men to believe that God has forsaken Israel?

    The prophets could not have been more clear in scripting the deliverance of the nation of Israel in the time of the end.

    The Apostle to the Gentiles warns the Christian church to not be ignorant of the mystery pertaining to Israel being blinded in part and until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in… because ignoring this results in men becoming wise in their own conceits.

    God hasn’t forsaken Israel and they are also a wondrous picture of the resurrection.. as Paul miraculously details here.. “For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    The god of this present evil world would have all men believe that God has forsaken Israel. The exact opposite of what the simple truth declares.

  188. mark
    Posted October 9, 2015 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    “Why would it matter? Suppose you are correct, and the end really is going to happen “soon.” What difference does that make? No one could do anything about it.”

    Of course men can do something about it, they can repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and be washed in the blood of the Lamb, for all eternity!

    The writer to the Hebrews says this;

    How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

    For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

    But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

    Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    How shall we escape?

    By not neglecting so great a salvation!

    Here’s what the LORD says to His church in Philadelphia;

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Excellent Question, thanks for asking!

  189. MichaelFree
    Posted October 9, 2015 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    Imagine being a Jewish child growing up in a religious family in Israel. He has a normal childhood and plays a lot. He owns the dirt he plays on. This is from God. Now imagine him being a teenager and really thinking about Christianity. What does Christianity offer the Jewish teenager? It offers him his parents and ancestors in hell, that is what it offers him. It offers him idols of torture instruments and a Messiah that hates them. Your religion is a fraud. You do not have to interpret the Gospels the way that you do or wield the sickle in the way that you have. Jesus said the Parable of the Good Samaritan for a reason. You can’t judge other people because of their religion. That is not acceptable to righteous Jesus in the Gospels who said that the meek shall inherit the Earth. Do you not think that there are meek people who are not Christians? Actual meek truthful and peaceful people? No righteous God denies the righteous no matter who they are, and I don’t care what any book or any religion says about it.

    -Michael

  190. MichaelFree
    Posted October 10, 2015 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    The Arabs that live in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, they grew up in their place also and that land was given to them by God, including ownership of the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque, indeed the whole mount except the wall. It is theft to try to steal these things from the Arabs. It is against the Ten Commandments. One cannot steal and say that God gave it to them. If Arabs agreed to give half the mount to Israel, or came to real peace with Israel, it would be done by God, according to Matthew 18:19. Then God gave them a third temple. Then God gave them Israel. The day that the Palestinians and Jews come to real agreed to peace, God did it, according to Matthew 18:19.

  191. MichaelFree
    Posted October 10, 2015 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Much of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have the same affliction, many Jews think they can subjugate the Arabs and steal land from them, many Christians support the theft, and many in Islam want more than justice but rather revenge, and to steal the land from the Jews, all of it, just like many Jews want all the land from the river to the river. All thefts. Violations of the Ten Commandments. So how can it be holy? It’s not, that’s how. Righteous Jesus was not a conqueror, he was a peacemaker. If Israel made real unending peace with the Arabs it would be done by God and then the Jews I’m sure would be free to move elsewhere also, like anywhere from the river to the river, and be welcomed, as neighbors, and it would be done by God, according to Matthew 18:19. But they are all thieves and won’t do it on their own, for theirs is the way of the world, and not of God (Matthew 18:19).

    -Michael

  192. Posted October 12, 2015 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I read it exactly as it is written, that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years.. and once again I’ll add the emphasis that this is one thing that the Apostle to the circumcision would have men not be ignorant of.

    No, you are not reading it “exactly as it is written.” You are still ignoring the rest of the verse. You are plucking a sentence fragment out of context and twisting it to fit your date-setting agenda. It does not merely say that a “day” (with the Lord) is as a thousand years (to us humans). It also immediately reverses it and says a thousand years (with the Lord) is as a “day” to us humans. Henry Morris uses this meaning in his effort to refute “progressive creationists.” Here is how he explained it (link):

    It is sad that many Christians today are so eager to appear intellectual, they are willing to compromise God’s clear revelation to do so. God has made it as clear as plain words could make it, that “in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is” (Exodus 20:11). Yet because evolutionary “science” has alleged that the earth is billions of years old, multitudes of evangelicals have fallen in line, rejecting God’s plain statement of fact and then trying to find some interpretive loophole to hide behind.

    Our text verse is perhaps the key verse of the so-called “progressive creationists” who try to correlate the days of creation in Genesis with the supposed 4.6 billion-year system of evolutionary geological ages, by citing Peter as agreeing that “one day is a thousand years.”

    No, Peter is saying that “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years”! That is, God can do in one day what might, by natural processes, take a thousand years. In context, the apostle is condemning the last-day uniformitarians (those who teach that “all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”) as “willingly ignorant” of the tremendous significance of the historical facts of creation and the Flood (2 Peter 3:3-6). Real written records only go back a few thousand years, and to attempt to calculate any date before that requires use of a premise which, in context, the Scriptures have just condemned!

    Now the real irony, of course, is that you are using the favorite verse that failed doomsday prophet Harold Camping used to justify his ludicrous prediction of May 21, 2011. And worse, the deluded followers of Camping used that same verse to justify their failed doomsday prediction that the world was supposed to be destroyed last freaking week on October 7! Think of what this means. You are using the same methods of interpretation as those failed doomsday lunatics that you referred to as “tares.” So what’s the difference between your predictions and those of the “tares”? Is there anyway for anyone to tell? Why do you choose t continue the Christian tradition of 2000 years of perfect error?

  193. Posted October 12, 2015 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Why would it matter? Suppose you are correct, and the end really is going to happen “soon.” What difference does that make? No one could do anything about it.”

    Of course men can do something about it, they can repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and be washed in the blood of the Lamb, for all eternity!

    The writer to the Hebrews says this;

    How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

    You totally missed my point. From a biblical perspective, everyone needs salvation before they die. It has nothing to do with scary stories about “end times” events on planet earth. Look at history – all people die. All people experience their own personal apocalypse – guaranteed to happen within about a hundred years of their birth. So my question remains: What does it matter if your predictions are correct? According to the Bible, people will be saved only if they believe in Jesus, not your end time predictions. And even if you succeed in convincing someone, they may believe only out of fear and not authentically trust in Christ. Or worse, they may really believe you and when your predictions fail they could lose their faith and despise Christ, thinking him a deceiver like so many of his followers. The Bible says their blood would be on your hands (as a deceiver). And this, by a commodious vicus of recirculation, brings us again to the unbroken record of two thousand years of abject error which is the heritage of Christian end times predictions.

  194. mark
    Posted October 13, 2015 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Imagine being a Jewish child growing up in a religious family in Israel. He has a normal childhood and plays a lot. He owns the dirt he plays on. This is from God. Now imagine him being a teenager and really thinking about Christianity. What does Christianity offer the Jewish teenager? It offers him his parents and ancestors in hell, that is what it offers him. It offers him idols of torture instruments and a Messiah that hates them.

    Michael,

    While I understand that there are many who would say what you’re saying here, a Christian does not have license to condemn anyone to hell or to preach that the LORD hates Israel, because He doesn’t.

    A Pastor was just speaking to us about “Stewardship” and interestingly enough, stewardship entails judgment. We as Christians and good stewards of the mysteries of God, are to judge NOTHING before the time, until the Lord comes!

    Furthermore, the Apostle to the Gentiles warns the Christian church concerning Israel being blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.. Paul testifies that God has NOT forsaken Israel.

    So, take a wild guess as to who might want everyone to preach condemnation, rather than salvation?

  195. mark
    Posted October 13, 2015 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    No, you are not reading it “exactly as it is written.” You are still ignoring the rest of the verse. You are plucking a sentence fragment out of context and twisting it to fit your date-setting agenda.

    Now you’re accusing me of setting dates.

    I responded to your comments because of your basis that the Day of the LORD was to come soon, for the generation which witnessed all these things.. and to show that the Apostle to the circumcision would have men to not be ignorant of this one thing.. that a Day (as in the coming Day of the Lord), is as a thousand years.. and that the LORD is longsuffering toward His creatures, not willing that any perish, and that His longsuffering is not like ours.. ie, like yours.

    I dont set dates, although I can clearly see the DAY approaching, and the Apostle to the Gentiles tells us that the night is far spent, and that His Day is at hand..

    Because for the one who inhabits eternity, it has been but two days since these things have taken place.. and it’s also a wondrous illustration of what happens on the third day..

    Israel being restored (not yet) and delivered in that Day, the Day of the LORD, the Day of Jesus Christ… which cometh as a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman (Israel) with child..

  196. mark
    Posted October 13, 2015 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    You totally missed my point. From a biblical perspective, everyone needs salvation before they die. It has nothing to do with scary stories about “end times” events on planet earth. Look at history – all people die. All people experience their own personal apocalypse – guaranteed to happen within about a hundred years of their birth. So my question remains: What does it matter if your predictions are correct? According to the Bible, people will be saved only if they believe in Jesus, not your end time predictions. And even if you succeed in convincing someone, they may believe only out of fear and not authentically trust in Christ. Or worse, they may really believe you and when your predictions fail they could lose their faith and despise Christ, thinking him a deceiver like so many of his followers. The Bible says their blood would be on your hands (as a deceiver). And this, by a commodious vicus of recirculation, brings us again to the unbroken record of two thousand years of abject error which is the heritage of Christian end times predictions.

    It appears you are once again accusing me of setting dates. I haven’t done that although in fairness to your comments, I understand perfectly well that many HAVE set dates and made themselves look ridiculous as it should.

    That’s why as good stewards of the mysteries of God (like His coming again,which is mentioned in 22 of the 27 NT books), that we are to judge nothing before the time, and the Lord DOES come.

    Setting a date as to the LORD coming is basically saying that your understanding of His long suffering is right in sync with His.. and that’s beyond ridiculous, it’s like thinking that you’re God.

    That’s why we do NOT judge anything before the time comes.. but rather preach PEACE by Jesus Christ.. and at the same time we KNOW that there are enemies planting and watering their own crop right up until that DAY does come.

    And which we should be able to see approaching.. those who would put on the full armour of God and trust that the LORD does know what He is speaking about when He declared all these things before they came to pass.. how that the tares have been sown by the enemy and that they’re not going to be rooted up til the end, lest they also pull up the wheat of the LORD which He hath faithfully planted in accordance with His perfect will so that men can grow up into Him in all things, even unto that perfect man who is the second man and the Last Adam, the LORD from Heaven.

  197. Posted October 13, 2015 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    I dont set dates, although I can clearly see the DAY approaching, and the Apostle to the Gentiles tells us that the night is far spent, and that His Day is at hand..

    You may not be setting a “date” per se, but you most certainly do appear to be setting a “date range” since otherwise the word “soon” has no meaning.

    But then again, everyone knows that the Biblical meaning of “soon” could be “in two thousand years” so when you say “soon” you mean that Christ is coming in the year 4015? LOL

  198. Posted October 13, 2015 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Furthermore, the Apostle to the Gentiles warns the Christian church concerning Israel being blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.. Paul testifies that God has NOT forsaken Israel.

    And who is “Israel”? You appear to think that the carnal sons of Abraham are Israel, but that directly contradicts Paul:

    Romans 9:6-8 For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    The Bible flat out declares that the carnal sons of Israel (i.e. the secular nation of Israel defined as the physical sons of Abraham), are the “children of the flesh” and NOT the “children of God.” According to the Bible, the “children of God” are only those who believe in Jesus. Your doctrine about carnal Israel being saved in the future is entirely contrary to the Bible.

  199. Posted October 13, 2015 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    And which we should be able to see approaching..

    Approaching? When? In a week? A month? A year? A century? A millennium? Do you have any concept of what you are preaching? Your preaching is like a trumpet with a very uncertain sound …

    1 Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

  200. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    You may not be setting a “date” per se, but you most certainly do appear to be setting a “date range” since otherwise the word “soon” has no meaning.

    But then again, everyone knows that the Biblical meaning of “soon” could be “in two thousand years” so when you say “soon” you mean that Christ is coming in the year 4015? LOL

    I think that the irony is that you’re the one who insists that it had to happen in the first century and so you are basically a date setter like those who you rail against.

  201. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    And who is “Israel”? You appear to think that the carnal sons of Abraham are Israel, but that directly contradicts Paul:

    Romans 9:6-8 And who is “Israel”? You appear to think that the carnal sons of Abraham are Israel, but that directly contradicts Paul:

    Romans 9:6-8 For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    The Bible flat out declares that the carnal sons of Israel (i.e. the secular nation of Israel defined as the physical sons of Abraham), are the “children of the flesh” and NOT the “children of God.” According to the Bible, the “children of God” are only those who believe in Jesus. Your doctrine about carnal Israel being saved in the future is entirely contrary to the Bible.

    Read it again Richard, When Paul says that not all Israel is of Israel… he is simply saying that not all Israelites are the Israel of God, just as not all professing Christians are members of the body of Christ.

    AND if you’d like to ignore that which the Apostle to the Gentiles warns Christians of ignoring, specifically that Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in… then that typically leads to one thing.. becoming wise in your own conceits.

  202. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Approaching? When? In a week? A month? A year? A century? A millennium? Do you have any concept of what you are preaching? Your preaching is like a trumpet with a very uncertain sound …

    1 Corinthians 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    If you can’t see Israel in the land and their sworn enemies demanding their annihilation, then so be it.. maybe it’s time to go back and read all that the prophets have to say concerning Israel being delivered in the time of the end.

    Or… maybe just echo the words of the world for now and say to yourself.. “It’s all good”.

  203. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    Richard, I’m not sure why the cite tag is only citing a portion of your comments rather than all of it, although I’m sure you can still follow,.

  204. Posted October 14, 2015 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    Richard, I’m not sure why the cite tag is only citing a portion of your comments rather than all of it, although I’m sure you can still follow,.

    Try using the “blockquote” tag. The “cite” tag is not supported.

  205. Posted October 14, 2015 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    If you can’t see Israel in the land and their sworn enemies demanding their annihilation, then so be it.. maybe it’s time to go back and read all that the prophets have to say concerning Israel being delivered in the time of the end.

    I can see it quite clearly. And you know what else I can see? Fifty years of crazed date setters using that event to justify a flood of false predictions. It appears there will be no end to the two thousand year tradition of Christians spewing out falsehoods.

    Your time is running out. Date setters used to confidently assert that the Rapture and Armageddon would happen during the “generation” that saw Israel “reborn.” Now you are going the way of the Jehovah Witnesses and Harold Camping. Time is running out for your date (range) setting ….

  206. Posted October 14, 2015 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    Read it again Richard, When Paul says that not all Israel is of Israel… he is simply saying that not all Israelites are the Israel of God, just as not all professing Christians are members of the body of Christ.

    That’s correct. And who are the “Israel of God”? Only those that are of the faith of Abraham. They are Christians who Paul describes as the true “circumcision” – the technical biblical term for “Israel.”

    Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

    You are confusing carnal Israel (sons of Abraham’s flesh) for spiritual Israel (Christians). Few errors could be more fundamental, given that Paul explicitly spelled it out in many different passages:

    Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

  207. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    And you’re right there amongst your so called “crazed date setters” as you also have set the date to the first century.

    Go figure. :-)

  208. mark
    Posted October 14, 2015 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    “That’s correct. And who are the “Israel of God”? Only those that are of the faith of Abraham. They are Christians who Paul describes as the true “circumcision” – the technical biblical term for “Israel.”

    Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

    You are confusing carnal Israel (sons of Abraham’s flesh) for spiritual Israel (Christians). Few errors could be more fundamental, given that Paul explicitly spelled it out in many different passages:

    Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

    And in Christ (pertaining to being a Christian) there is NEITHER Jew or Gentile, but one new man from the two.

    Want to try again?

    There’s nothing in the holy scriptures which teaches that the church of God (a heavenly entity) is Israel. Furthermore, the Apostle to the Gentiles warns the Christian church against ignoring the mystery pertaining to Israel being blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in..

    Ignoring this results in men becoming wise in their own conceits.. and I understand that there are many in Christendom who do exactly that, and who without fail end up becoming wise in their own conceits, just as the Apostle says.

  209. Posted October 14, 2015 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    And you’re right there amongst your so called “crazed date setters” as you also have set the date to the first century.

    Go figure. :-)

    Your comment is absurd. The term “date setting” refers to making predictions about events that are supposed to happen in the future. Acknowledging the simple and incontrovertible fact that the writers of the NT plainly stated the events would happen “soon” during the lifetime of the generation then living is not “date setting.” It is simply stating a demonstrable fact.

  210. mark
    Posted October 15, 2015 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    “Acknowledging the simple and incontrovertible fact that the writers of the NT plainly stated the events would happen “soon” during the lifetime of the generation then living is not “date setting.” It is simply stating a demonstrable fact.”

    Regardless of the fact that your basis is Matthew 24 concerning this generation, and how that the same book mentions His entire genealogy as the generation of Jesus Christ… and also mentions the regeneration as well?

    Is there any chance that you could be mistaken about that?

    Regardless, I’ve enjoyed our conversing and it’s always a pleasure. I wish you all the best Richard.

    Mark

  211. Posted October 15, 2015 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Regardless of the fact that your basis is Matthew 24 concerning this generation, and how that the same book mentions His entire genealogy as the generation of Jesus Christ… and also mentions the regeneration as well?

    The meaning of “generation” in Matthew 1:1 is entirely different than the meaning in the verses that speak of “this generation.” They are not even based on the same Greek word! Your mistake is that you are basing your interpretation upon a mere translation, and an archaic one at that. I can’t imagine how you could commit such a basic blunder. The word “generation” in Matthew 1:1 is “genesis”. It means “genealogy” in that context and that’s how most modern translations render it. The Greek phrase “biblos geneseos” (book of the generation) is found also in Genesis 5:1 (LXX) in the phrase “Book of the generations of Adam.” It has absolutely nothing to do with the phrase “this generation” that Christ used many times.

    I don’t see how there could be any doubt about the meaning of “this generation” – it is confirmed and reconfirmed in many verses and contexts. It refers to the generation of people living at the time it was spoken. For example, Jesus said the temple would be destroyed. The disciples asked “when” and he said “this generation.” And that’s what happened. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

    Regardless, I’ve enjoyed our conversing and it’s always a pleasure. I wish you all the best Richard.

    Likewise! I’m glad you’ve taken time to discuss these things. All the best!

  212. mark
    Posted October 15, 2015 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Richard,

    Thank you for the correction, it’s always appreciated.

  213. Posted October 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Richard,

    Thank you for the correction, it’s always appreciated.

    You are most welcome, kind sir. I am always happy to be of service.

  214. MichaelFree
    Posted October 16, 2015 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    In life there is nothing worse than seeing or hearing a person who is in pain or who is being physically attacked, or seeing someone steal another person’s belongings (which are more than just belongings but rather their labor, their time, a gift, and many times, their joy and pleasure in life), or having to endure listening to another person lying about the truth or proclaiming beliefs as truth, and then trying to move beyond that point, building their house on a lie, continuing the process of indoctrination into believing that beliefs “are” truth.

  215. Posted July 29, 2016 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Hi Richard, I came across your site searching for the true meaning of the vav in Gen. 3: 16 ‘I will multiply your sorrow and your conception.’ It is a great help to me. I am sorry to see you leave Christianity. I have the same three problems, or at least the first two as you do, the concept of hell and the cruelty to which God has commanded his people repeatedly. Prayer, I suppose, God is not obliged to answer everyone.

    I believe that the law of God has developed from an eye for an eye to forgiveness, for example. Also I think that the Bible has been revealed for an audience at a particular time. There is a Hindu scripture, the shruti, meaning what is heard. This means, that the listener interprets the word of God.

    Also I am in particular interested in sexuality in the Bible. Maybe you would enjoy reading my interpretation of virginity, http://www.sexy-church.org/virginity/, and my spculations on the birth of Isaac, http://www.sexy-church.org/virginity/. I also have an essay on adultery, http://www.sexy-church.org/thou-shalt-not-commit-adultery/.

    So my view of the Bible is rather loose. I think for example, that much of the cruelty in the past was very much like quarantine. You mentioned the slaughter in Numb. 31, a couple of chapters before that there had been a plague in the camp, which had been halted by an Israelite, who had brought a Moabitess ‘amongst his brethren’, being killed together with this woman while they were having sex. I find the expression, he brought her amongst his brethren very interesting. This was as scientific as they could be at the time. I see a strong connection between science and religion in the very early days.

    Many Christians reject these cruelties. Martin Luther, for example, translated ‘you must put them all to death, do not show them any mercy, at the beginning of Deut. 7, as, ‘you must execute the ban against them and do them no favour.’

    In general, I stick to the Christian faith, for its moral values. Modern society is based on competition and greed, dreaming big instead of counting your blessings. We teach children in economics that only the strongest shall survive. I know that is nature, but a humane society should not be like that. Has anybody ever really thought the survival of the fittest through to the end? What would happen to the majority? Does anybody really believe, a peaceful society could be built on these values?

    Anyway, I would appreciate your view on what I have written at the above links.

    Kind regards
    God Bless You (even though you have given up)
    Christian

  216. bill stubblefield
    Posted August 12, 2016 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    you are on a journey my friend. depending on who opens your eyes will determine your final journey’s destination. I am a son of God. I never realized this for many years. i have always been protected from anything that would kill me, even in my ‘lost state’. in his time Father called me and began my education in the mysteries. it is true that God says that if you will seek you will find. as i mature and apply my lessons in my life my father illuminates me more and more. i have met and spoken with at least one if not two angels. i have been allowed to raise the dead, and have healed many people. why he chose me to be his son i have no clue but thank God he did. the great mystery of life is that this one true God is creating himself a family and not attempting to save all mankind as of yet.
    we all belong to this God and as such he has all rights to our final destinations and even yes what is going on in our lives daily. life as we know it is a huge stage and all people are the actors of the great drama. some are main characters we call sons and daughters, but myriad more are the supporting cast. all will not be called to be his children, many will be called to be friends. those not ready for the transition will go to a place of extreme discipline known as the lake of fire. maybe this will help you maybe not, time will tell. God bless.

  217. jalse
    Posted September 14, 2016 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Hi ! I will be simple, but direct. I think its fun you’ve done the raw math and tried to digest all of this. I may seem brain dead saying this – but hey. I was not a believer until 33 years old of age. But the supernatural turned me around. Yes, I’d experienced supernatural events before – even studied another “religion” which was impressive in all its details – but all in all – God came, well I let Him come – simple as that. And I heard a demon speak and different things happened that freaked me out. Its funny (and not so easy at times) when the unclean spirits gets nasty when one tries to leave them. And from there on I’ve seen the power of God through man acting in confidence and faith that God speaks as much today and has done so in previous times also. Yesterday was one such wonderful (yet strangely sad moment) when He spoke to me. I was both humbled by the experience and joyful at the same time. He essentially told me He loves to hear my voice. And I love to speak with Him…and have done so for some few years now. Yes, the Bible is not infallible – but The Holy Spirit will always help out. But again – you need be baptized in The Holy Spirit (check out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC83VhXmIi_NzJaS6-bnm9Qw) and step out in faith. I am honest when I say that your brain is a barrier unless used correctly. No pun intended though. I’ve seen metal dissolve – bones grow live – couples (more than one) having a baby after 7 years of frustration and what not – and the day they conceived was the day we prayed. I knew about the supernatural even before God came – but I also knew He had told me to watch out for Jesus and find out who He was….yet it was God who lifted the veil off me. You are precious to God – and He gave His son for you. Go check Ron Wyatt on youtube for example. Its fun how much God really has given us. Our brain has a tendency to stand in the way. Hey – Bible Codes and what not, I found them so very interesting. And the gematria – cool. But its a rabbits hole many times. I am telling you – get a life. No pun intended. Sorry about being so direct with you. But the word can kill you unless you dont have The Holy Spirit with you. And we can reject Him also along the process. John Bevere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqT_Jv29aX8 – is a good one. I for one, with my family – was sent to USA from Norway for Charis Bible College with Andrew Wommack. And God didnt tell us with just a silent voice to go – I wasnt even up for it. But I told Him – we need confirmations on this. And we truly got it !! And the economy – blam – everything fell into place like I’ve never seen before. I know God loves you – and I’ve witnessed it time and again. Be encouraged and ask God to wipe your plate clean my friend ! Dont mess up with too many words – get down to it and ask God whats on His heart and you’ll be very surprised at whats coming next :-D A lot of crazy things happen all the time – and we can really get hooked up in it..,.and its really not life. I’ve been so up in all details and what not, hehe…not fun though! I miss Father when I dont spend time with him. Its like, He asks me to go to a certain place – and I am thinking. Mm, did Dad really say that to me? But then another man confirms it (a pastor) – which I didnt tell what God told me – but he said the same thing. Yes, sometimes I know without a shadow of a doubt when He is speaking, at other times I am just not listening intently when He speaks. But whats so cool is He will always answer when we ask Him. And I believe its more our own barrier than His when we dont think He speaks back. Because He surely does. I know my calling and its simple – but I didnt trust what I was told, until several “unfamiliar” brothers told me so and so – and it grew on me. Hm, ok then. Things mature within a man and Father knows it. I aint the sharpest knife in the drawer – but I know Father loves me and the adventure He has given me is often outside my comfort zone. Ok, I need stop talking – hehe. Its time for me to jump to bed. Simplicity is key. Dont abstract and theorize away in details my friend. you can send me an email anytime. Thanks ! Sorry about the loose language and what not, I really decided not to write because the hour is very late – but I want to encourage you! We can Skype anytime if you want to.

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