Free Will Baptists Hide Evidence of Caner’s Lies

Soon after Ergun Caner’s fraudulent history became public, ostensibly “Christian” ministries began trying to hide the evidence. The first “ministry” I found doing this was Living With Joy Radio which quietly removed three incriminating Caner audio files (formerly known as “sermons” by a “man of God”).

The Ohio Free Will Baptists have now done the same thing. On April 13, 2010 the FBC Jax Watchdog blog published some transcripts from four talks given by Ergun Caner at the 2007 Men’s Retreat hosted by the Ohio State Association of Free Will Baptists. Here is a snippet from that post:

If the public records are correct, and if his own words in his book co-authored with his brother are correct, Ergun moved to the states in 1970 when he was the age of 4, and never lived in Turkey.

But in the sermon exercpt below, delivered in early 2007, Ergun explains in great detail that what he learned about America he learned watching American television shows broadcast in Turkey – growing up in Istanbul.

This excerpt was taken from one of Ergun Caner’s four sermons preached at the Men’s Retreat of the Ohio State Association of Free Will Baptists in early 2007.

Each sermon is available for downloading here (until they are taken down after this post goes up).

The parenthetical comment in the last sentence was prescient. The Ohio Free Will Baptist site removed the files sometime between the week of 5/13 and 5/18. Here are screenshots of the original page (retrieved from Bing’s 5/13 cache – so it won’t be there for long) and the current page as of 5/18:

Free Will Baptists Hide Evidence

There are two things that fools don’t realize when they attempt to suppress evidence. First, it is rarely successful, especially in the internet age where data is redundantly archived on many servers (such as my own here, here, here, and here), and second, it only confirms their guilt! It’s always the cover-up that get’s ya! Think NIXON.

The amazing thing about the folks covering up for Caner is that they all profess to be Christians while denying everything that Christ stands for. It blows my mind and has convinced me that organized Christianity, especially the leadership, is utterly, thoroughly, totally, and completely corrupt. Caner’s crimes have exposed countless “cancerous cells” that are actively and chronically opposed to truth. It’s not just one individual here or there and it’s not just lies – it includes a long history of chronic racism, sexism (see EthicsDaily.com) and sexual abuse (see StopBaptistPredators.org).

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10 Comments

  1. Thomas R
    Posted May 30, 2010 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I got an email just a day or so after my post went up, from someone with the Ohio Free Willers, asking me to take down my audio, and to take down the photo I used from their website.

    I did take down the photo, but left the audio.

    I think I’ll be putting up a post on this soon…

  2. Thomas R
    Posted May 30, 2010 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    And yes, I do have all 4 sermons downloaded.

    I think those sermons were the most sickening…it was a mostly (maybe all) male audience, and the jokes about women, and Mexicans, and Turks, and his long explanation of how he watched American television in Istanbul, and how his first churches had to put up with his “bad accent”.

    And worse was the response from the men listening to it. They ate it up.

    I think the Free Willers took the tapes down as much because they sounded like a bunch of hillbillies, as they did to protect Caner.

  3. none
    Posted May 30, 2010 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    your download link doesn’t work

  4. Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the tip. There was a glitch in the blog software. It’s fixed now.

  5. Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    That is very interesting. What possible reason could they give why you should not be distributing an audio file from Ergun if he did nothing wrong? That’s what mystifies me … what are folks like that actually thinking when they try to suppress the evidence?

    I’ll keep an eye out for you new post. I think that’s a great idea. Folks need to begin discussing how the suppression of information and denial of truth is totally contrary to the teaching of Christ.

  6. Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    You got that exactly correct. Have you seen “The Liberty Way” Code of Conduct? Here are their “rules” for the students. If they applied these to their SEMINARY PRESIDENT he would have been kicked off campus long ago!

    C. Harassment
    Sexual Harassment
    Liberty University is committed to providing students and employees with an environment free of harassment in any form. Any act of harassment (i.e., physical, psychological, verbal or sexual) that threatens a person or persons is considered a serious offense and will not be tolerated or condoned. The University provides educational programming to promote the awareness of rape, acquaintance rape, sexual harassment and other sexual offenses. Any person or group who commits acts of harassment based upon race, ethnicity, gender or disability on or off campus will be subject to disciplinary action, which could result in dismissal from the University.
    Behavior that constitutes sexual harassment, which is a form of sexual discrimination prohibited by Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 and Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, includes but is not limited to, unwanted sexual attention, requests for sexual favors and/or other verbal or physical contact of a sexual nature, which negatively affects another person.
    Reporting Procedure
    Any student who believes that he/she has been the subject of harassment in any form should immediately report the incident to the Office of Student Conduct or the Student Care Office. The student will be given the opportunity to express his/her concerns and will then be appraised of the recourse available to him/her under school policy and local and state statutes.
    • Penalty Students who engage in the aforementioned behavior are subject to disciplinary action, which may result in community service or possible dismissal. Since the University takes such charges seriously, where the results of an investigation reveal a complaint of harassment/sexual harassment to be frivolous or groundless, the individual having made such a complaint may be subject to the same disciplinary action.
    Racial Harassment
    The purpose of this policy is to ensure that all members of the Liberty University community understand the prohibition against racial discrimination or harassment. All members of the University community are encouraged to reflect upon the issue of discrimination and harassment as it might affect the lives and conduct of others. Further, anyone who may be the victim of racial discrimination or harassment should be aware of the procedure for reporting such incidents.
    • Policy Governing Racial Harassment
    Philosophy Liberty University asserts that all members of the University community are entitled to and shall be afforded an environment devoid of overt or subtle racism. Therefore, members of the Liberty University community will not tolerate racial discrimination or harassment in any form. To this end, Liberty University has adopted a policy governing racial discrimination or harassment, which applies to all members of the University community.
    Policy Behavior that constitutes racial discrimination or harassment is prohibited by Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This includes, but is not limited to, racial/ethnic slurs, coarse jesting with racial/ethnic overtones and other forms of communication resulting in disparagement or intimidation.
    Reporting Procedure
    Report the incident to the Office of Student Conduct or the Center for Multicultural Enrichment.
    Student Conduct Officers will review the racial discrimination/harassment policy with the complainant.
    A Racial Discrimination/Harassment Grievance Form will be filed
    Complainant must decide if he/she wants to pursue a formal complaint, which may result in disciplinary action
    Investigation
    The Student Conduct Review Committee will examine the results of the investigation and determine the best course of action
    The Student Conduct Officer will conduct a final interview with complainant
    Penalty
    Any Liberty University student who commits racial discrimination or harassment is subject to disciplinary action, which may result in 12, 18 or 30 reprimands, along with possible fines, and community service and/or possible administrative withdrawal. Conversely, since the University takes such charges seriously, where the results of an investigation reveal a complaint of racial discrimination or harassment to be frivolous or groundless, the individual having made such a complaint may be subject to the same disciplinary action.

  7. none
    Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    yes tried. getting HTTP Error 404

  8. Posted May 30, 2010 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    The 404 was correct because there was an error in the path. It should be fixed now. Let me know if there is still a problem.

  9. Posted February 26, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the unedited audio. I don’t like dealing with the edited stuff. Do you have anymore. I really need the other “do not teach the women to read and write” gibberish. Edited videos did not convince me, so I am trying to put up the unedited stuff.

  10. Posted February 26, 2012 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I have some videos in other posts about Ergun Caner. Just click this link:

    http://www.biblewheel.com/blog/index.php/tag/ergun-caner/

    One of the more outrageous clips is near the bottom of this post which shows him speaking gibberish that was supposed to be what he said to his father after his “conversion” to Christ.

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